4 billion years may be too little for evolution to naturally evolve up to us. But if evolved in steps, on other planets, then maybe its total time is 10 billion years. Then again the age of the universe may be largely greater than 20 billion years (I always had a feeling that this age is too short), or maybe there are infinite universes and the age is eternity.
Also it is possible to have the sum greater than the parts. There is a pseudoscientific theory that claims that our technology is evolving at an ever increasing rate towards a “singularity” upon which computers will surpass human intelligence. After that, the computers would “design” other smarter computers and we as humans would no longer even know what happens.
Now if some process, in different terms and with different structures occured on other planets with alien structures “designing” structures that “surpass” there own (just as humans may end up designing computers smarter than us) , then you can see how evolution may be quite feasable through this.
Lets put it upside down. Imagine that we are the computers trying to figure out how we came to be. We would think first there was a small program then a larger than a different CPU etc. without ever suspecting that there could be a completely different way matter may interact. Then some “program” comes along and says you guys got it all wrong, we were “designed” by a bag of water full of carbon molecules, that there is no silicon or bits or software. That is the position I am trying to imagine.
Imagine that intelligence “emerges” from a plasma at the center of stars. That these plasmas may create structured electromagnetic fields that are intelligent and that these “self organized” structures emerge as “soliton” solutions to some differential equations.
We can further imagine these organized EM fields can manipulate atoms and molecules beyond anything we can imagine, and they somehow designed us or DNA completely in one shot just like we write a program. So we have a case where intelligence is explained in a very simple way from the solution of equations and we completely bypass billions of years of “evolution”, Or maybe evolution is only part of the story.
I repeat, look at the parallelism of us designing computers smarter than us. It is like there are 2 ways to add and subtract, with a biological brain with all its neurons and DNA and chemical circuits or with a simple 8 bit silicon CPU. There may be very simple ways matter can organize itself to provide intelligence, without the need of billions of neurons as our brain.
Computers are designed to calculate only and have no desire to do anything else. Say survive.
But the question remains at least for me, what would be the purpose of creating DNA or life or whatever we are.
God created man in His image. What is the image? To create!
If we are created we must serve a purpose, if we are an accident we must find one to justify our existence.
For animal species survival is a good enough reason, and with so many nuts running around with ideas like safe nuclear power and limited scale nuclear war and medical companies killing people by the thousands …, I think it will do for me as well.
Stop looking for “purposeâ€, it’s a trap. It is completely reasonable to suggest that life evolved from no purpose, but simple circumstance. Assuming purpose is a silly way of anthropomorphizing that which caused our existence.
god is a wordvirus trapped inside a book influencing many minds to manipulating others i for one am not easy to be fooled by this attempt
i do respect as humankind reversing evolution whould stop all problems
including pollution and government debate if human intellect is true then why do we manipulate animal abilities why dont we just join them stopping both the plan of your so called “god” from leading us into judgment.
we whould be smart even though we couldnt have another kind of knowledge like speaking like we do now but that whould be ok we could probably manipulate certain parts of nature fight for land and be on the edge of dying from loss of food i whould rather be in any of those states than being human at this moment because my so called “sins” havent helped so why not join animals?.
that whould stop evrything and leave us with a conclusion if the anti-evolution purpose is done right but first we whould have to allow aliens on earth to do such a thing look at their history they can take internal body parts yet leave you alive right so i see through this its ok to sgare this planet with another spying race.
Me either. Naturally organic structures only become more complex when survivability calls for it, and gradually.
But what would you call it if humans geneticly engineereed something far more complex than us?
You see, I just don’t see the importance of ‘survivability’ or something similar. Plenty of humans (and it seems, other creatures) risk their survival for a thrill, to risk death to remind themselves that they are alive.
How about the weightlifter who takes steroids? He’ll die, just like anything else, he’ll risk shortening his life or making it worse for a potential payoff that doesn’t increase his survivability…
So much of human behaviour simply cannot be explained according to the principles of evolution. Homosexuality would be an obvious one.
Overcoming. Strengthening. Mastering more and more power. Something like that. ‘I cannot but my creation can…!’
Maybe the universe has no purpose, as it’s not serving a means to an end. Maybe the purpose is the experience of life. Did anyone ever think of that. Life is like music, you don’t play music to reach a certain point, say the end of the composition. Just as when you dance, you don’t dance to reach a certain point on the floor. The purpose is in the dance, and not the end point. There is no end point, and there is no beginning point. Life is a fucking circle.
Last evening I was walking and along the path lay pebbles of various shape, size, colour etc.which I picked up. Looking at such beautiful pebbles and examining their structure striked a very unrelated thought what if these pebbles were formed, shaped and coloured differently at different times and evolved all along for better or worse. Did it have to struggle to survive so long? So do mountains rise and fall, river have flown and dried,all these being a product of unpredictiveable nature of nature itself. So do living beings have reacted to its own evolution as well as to the changing environment around us. Aint it too naive to think we are evolving to higher level rather than accepting that what is happening is part of unchangeable change of nature itself.
Would it be correct to say that Oceans have evolved because they have to support fish and other marine lives? Or is it same old story that those who adapted to saline life survived and evolved with changing ocean? But even Oceans change their chacters,nature,shape and size as well as location. Oceans and its being is also depenent on how well they can adapt to changing geological structure of earth. I , myself think that evolution as a concept only for living beings that too in progressin towards higher organism is as far from truth as to say elephants have wings as of today. Tomorrow it might be a different story. There is nothing higher or lower as everything is circumstantial and then when everything is circumstantial how can any one have designed or concieved this world.
Would it be possible to suppose because we have yet to see (natural evidence) God, that it may be possible to see him in the future? I would think not, since there is no working definition of God. (abstraction, god is all knowing. Circularity, god is a supreme being.) Therefore it is not clear what to look for, and consequently what could be found. So would not it then be impossible for God to be this unknown cause?
Given we don’t know what to look for as physical evidence of god, but assuming that he is an omnipotent being, capable of acts beyond our sense of understanding, it seems only logical that would we know if we saw it. But there I’m assuming as well… Just a thought.
When it comes down to the structural complexities of the universe (whether it be organic or otherswise) there are two distinct possibilities known to us, as someoneisatthedoor said; it might be god, it may not, we are yet to prove either or.
