Don’t hurt me. With this stuff happening in Lebanon and Israel, and Iran developing nuclear stuff, is it not kind of good that we have foothold in the middle east? I mean, it would be a lot easier to land troops in Iraq and march em to Iran then land directly in Iran. Seriously, I wonder if cheney was thinking this when he made the decision?
Perhaps this is all part of a conflict created to destabilise and weaken the Middle East so the US and UK (and others) can attack parts of it on their own terms.
god i hope that bush/cheney was thinking this far into the future it would make me feel better about voting for him (not that making me feel better is that important)
I think Iraq was just George Bush proving he has bigger balls than his dad!!
i’m glad you think
the only ones who didn’t see this coming after 9-11 were democRATS.
-Imp
Saudi Arabia/Israel is our foothold. Just send in SpecOps followed my paratroopers and Marines to get the job done 
Why…?
What is our business in the middle east?
siatd -
I don’t think you’re supposed to tell that to anyone. I mean I could be wrong, but I really don’t think we’re supposed to talk about that.
If you know what I mean.
Saudi Arabia is further down the road, DH. Further down the road. But we really shouldn’t be talking about that, either.
Israel will play it’s role. Or is already.
But I must stress that I know nothing. This is pure speculation. We are merely liberating an oppressed people and defending ourselves.
Okay, boys? Can we just keep it to that? So everyone can stick to debating stuff that doesn’t matter?
(I must go now, before they find me.)
There is as much of a reason for the US to go into Iran as there is a need, and reason for the conflicts taking place there in the first place.
There isn’t big grand plan ‘they’ follow exactly, they test and go with what works along the way. But the plan is conceived of on a global level.
There is a -reason- why major events take place, and they are always tied to money. It’s really as simple as following the cash. They leave the trails there, as a sort of ‘fuck you’ for not even bothering to care to look. Some here might say we ‘deserve’ what we get because of this. I would disagree.
The day of 9/11 China started making American flags like mad – That pretty much crystallizes my whole esoteric point here. World Wars are never about fear, or hate, or race, or whatever the fuck else. They are about money, and rearranging it to better fit ‘their’ needs – pure and simple. It’s the hate, the fear and anger that the politicians are entrusted to create. They are entrusted with the task of ‘pulling it off’.
When you have the CIA, NSA (6 times bigger than the CIA) and the like on your hands, it’s really not that hard. Go read some reports on the frequency of early retirement and flat out quitting in the CIA. It happens quite often, and it’s the same basic reason every time: “I’m tired of doing things I don’t really understand, I may disagree with, for a boss that isn’t really mine.” No one knows who exactly is in charge; now ask yourself: Why does this make sense?
I’ve had people on here say things like “If this were a conspiracy, do you know how many people would have to be involved?” It’s absolutist thinking like that, that gets you nowhere. Take a look around, this is 2006, anything you thought impossible really isn’t.
With every day I’m finding that more and more prevalent.
Gobbo - I’m not disagreeing with you here - I think. The American Revolution was a conspiracy. It’s not a dirty word.
We have not so much a plan as a doctrine - which is more or less what you are saying, I think. It is that we have the right to dominate the world - economically, militarily, politically - but that we know we can’t do this completely in all spheres. At least not all at once.
I do not find this evil, if only because I have no concept of evil. Truly, as long as they don’t bother me too much, I am not all that concerned. I only have a few years on the planet - my own selfish motives preclude my getting too upset by all of this.
But we may still call a spade a spade. Our business is global domination. It’s good for business. That’s why we got in the business of America to begin with. There is nothing weird about any of this. We were “born”, as a nation, to do this.
There are better and worse ways to do it - I think that Iraq was not a very good way. But we can make the best of it.
What if when they do, it’s too late for you to act out?
Life is full of risk. I am not about to take to the streets, however, and try to stop the US from its quest for global domination. Firstly, it’s way too late. Secondly, it’s what we are.
The Vietnam War didn’t end because people took to the streets. It ended because Walter Cronkite told us we weren’t going to win.
Fair enough.
Though we don’t all have to take to the streets. I mean… simply being informed is usually good enough.
If Iran had nukes, would they use them to start a war?, or would they be less likely to be fucked by US imperialists?
Corporate US business:
Scandal, Blackmail, Rape, Mass murder, Terror, Lies, Centralization.
Faust,
I did say ‘perhaps’ and I was taking the notions from a book that is as widely available as the Bible, written before Bush got into power (1997).
Yes, I do.
I’m pretty sure that shoddy doctoring killed more people in the US in the last year than terrorists have in the last 20. Same here in the UK. Funny, we don’t have a war on incompetent doctoring and the poor management of the health service.
Like the price of a glass of milk in Nietzsche’s day compared to a glass of beer in Kant’s day?
Now, I know a lot of people are going to argue that a Kant glass of milsch is cheaper, but I’d argue that due to pasteurization, and other recent effects (that all cause cancer, see What is the Cure for Cancer), that Neitzchean Milsch is much more valuable, despite the price.
You every try some a priori lager? Let me tell you, you -pay- for that synthesized finished product.
That’s more like it.
siatd -
We can, of course, talk about evil. Not just the Axis of Evil, but even about our own evils - opposing political parties, press, the evils of oil shortages. As long as the general population is not beyond good and evil, everything will be just fine.
It’s you types that can perhaps see beyond (that crack about shoddy doctoring, for instance) that ruin the whole thing with your cost-benefit ratios and historical perspectives and the welfare of the populace and such the like.