If philosophy is art. Then the works of philosophy that is in language are equivalent to artworks. there is this X v Y.
If an artists produces great works, would he not be defined as a great philospher as well. Such as well the scientist, politicians, inventors, so forth.
Or artist and philosophers are two different people.
Did not Aristotle said in the Nicohmean Ethics, the artists has more superority than a plain philosopher?
If Leonardo De Vinci, produces great art works, he would already be defined as a great philosopher. If Albert Einstein produced great scientific achievement, then his works in philosophies would also be supremely great. And such and such. But if a person just wrote philosophies all his life, where sre his achievments? Perhaps, it is correct to say, the philosophy study is a further training to some other field.
Why would music be a higher revelation?
Only thing I heard about music were in Plato Phaedrus, which music sents a spell where the listener is charmed by it
Another thing about art relating to scaling, I once read that the arts of michangelo was so well scaled and proportion, that it was instinct rather other artists study how to scale and do proportions in their piece.
Now would it not make Michangelo a certain genius?
Who is like him in the realm of philosophy, where one does not need to study it ?
michelangelo despite the fact that everyone mystesizes art was not born out of the womb with the ability to sculpt the way he was able to after doing it for many years.
art and philosophy communicate emotions but music does it hundreds of times more effectively. philosophers seem to be able to draw out concepts for lifetimes. but philosophy is also speculation into sciences which emotion and art doesnt necessary touch much.
they are related and very different . . . this also depends on how one approaches art and philosophy.
They are the same if one does art and philosophy by thinking in terms of new creations.
but if one thinks that philosophy is mental gymnastics and art is following the nerves so to speak, then they are different. (right brain would then be art, left philosophy . . . very generally)
I think they weave in and out of each other. Philosophy can be creative for sure and entertaining just like art can.
from a zen perspective (and some psychologists) to be alive is to be an artist, just appreciating a sunset is art, and telling someone about it is art. (spoken word can be art)
And we all try to figure out our world from our first breath, so we all philosophize.
Art and philosophy are both then part of the human condition, and they are related and also different.
when I say instinct I mean talent. An artist does not need to study how to scale he just knows, for which why, classmates asks the great artist in class to draw for him, not because he knows how to scale but he knows how to draw. If people believes one must know how to scale in order to draw, then he does not know how to create beautiful things, but he is an archtiect and create buildings, where people piss at on the corners.
i drew a shoe once foreshortened. first time i tried it was almost flawless. i did it last year again years later with humans and totally fucked that shit up. i got it back again though. sort of.
I am telling you the truth, there are 2 types of people.
Two people drew a sketch of a car. One person drew it , it was easily recognizable, for it was 2-D. The other drew it in 3-d, the person who drew a 2-d said, what the hell is that, I see no car. Untill someone pointed out to help him see that it was a 3-d angle.
another true story
there was a contest who can draw the more flowers in a certain limit of time. One drew many, and the other drew one. The judge says to the one flower, " You just drew one while I ask for many" The artist reply," Which piece of artwork is more beautiful, his with the many, or mines with just one" Then a butterfly landed that one flower artwork.
What are your responses to those who are still interested in this thread?
yes, then you are judge as well for judging me a judge and so forth, and so forth and so forth and so forth and so forth …,
but that was not the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is that the person who did not listen to the judge who said draw many flowers did the thing that was the most valuable in my opinion.
I knew what you meant.
Lets keep that artisit and that of a philosopher is one. One can be artist and a philosopher. It is right to separate the two in judging.
