Life requires death. When I was in highschool I learned in science that both animals and plants were considered to be “alive”. So no matter what you do to eat you are causing another living thing to die.
So who cares if its ethical. Lets face it, we are killers by nature. We don’t always have to kill but why not its in our genes and it makes the ecosystem go round.
No, I think you’re wrong! Life does not require death. It’s true plants are life but they are life like our heart and liver are life. So, since they have no consciousness or they don’t know that they exist, therefore, consuming plant life is not killing I think, I may be wrong but that’s what I believe. If plant life was also life having consciousness then what would life mean? It would be meaningless.
I think this world goes by what the lion in the jungle does because it considers it the “king of the jungle.” But I don’t think that the lion is the “king of the jungle.” I think the elephant should be the “king of the jungle,” because its vegetarian despite its humongous body and does not hurt anybody unneccessarily. And look at its majestic walk, is it not truly the “king of the jungle?” On top of that it has this gigantic memory that I believe makes it remember just about everything in life.
I think the law of the jungle is what makes us more in-humane. But the law of the jungle is there I think only because some species found it easier to feed off other species initially and do so even now, completely. So we should not look at the law of the jungle and let it interfere in our affairs and allow it to make us in-humane sometimes. Whatever…
Sure, as long as you declaw, defang, and take away the animals advantages too. Humans are not the only animals to use tools to hunt. Our brains enable us to devise extraordinarily effective means of ending life. The brain is the human animals means of defense and attack, just like the lions huge canine teeth, claws and large size. Unfortunately, we have no sense of balance and hunt animals to the point of extinction.
How do we know whether or not trees have a consciousness? Wasn’t the earth flat several hundred years ago? 
Lions are “king of the jungle” because some twit gave them that title. Lions actually prefer more open land, and only really hunt in the jungle in India where small populations still exist.
Elephants do not hurt anybody unnecessarily?!? I just watched a PBS special on elephants and when a baby, BABY, water buffalo got too close to the adults…THEY ATTACKED IT!! They would have killed it if the mother water buffalo hadn’t run in and distract them.
I am not a huge fan of hunting, but I am soooo tired of people thinking animals don’t kill unless they have to eat or protect their young and herbivores don’t kill unless threatened. Watch the damn Discovery channel and read some books.
Animals will kill the competition in a heart beat. A lion will kill a leopard, baby or adult, to eliminate its competition.
Ever see the special on the relationship between lions and hyenas?
My brother in profoundly retarded thanks to an idiot military doctor in Germany, my father was stationed over there during the Vietnam War, anybody that wants to hunt him has to get through me first.
Life requires death but not on the scale that we have provided. The biggest threat to life is humans. If anything should be dying to cause a better balance to life it should be them.
We don’t always have to kill you’re right but being we’re blood thirsty murderous rampaging monsters why not? For an animal where the majority are disgusted by blood I find it funny that you’d even suggest people kill for entertainment. But yea us wiping out all species of plant and animal life doesn’t make the ecosystem go round.
My friend told me of an experiment performed on plant life. I don’t remember exaclty what they were measuring or how it happened but it doesn’t really matter the idea was simply this. They placed fire by a plant and it was sort of taught that fire produces pain and it released some sort of signal of distress which suggests consciousness. Not that that really matters because you can’t detect the sign but I thought that was kinda interesting. But then again you could always argue that life is all a trivial definition anyway but that’s another story.
I think hunting is more a matter of pride than of necessity.
That makes sense but I don’t think that was the point. Now there is really no talent required to kill anything so there’s really no pride to be gained from killing an animal yourself. It’s as much a sport as watching t.v. I’ve been hunting plenty of times and it’s not hard at all. It’s barely athletic depending on what you’re hunting. It could be more keeping yourself occupied than anything else. The only entertaining aspect of it is the idea of adventure or survival which is tame at best. It’s kinda unecessary. Which I believe he was saying we should avoid.
Yea I saw a show with a bunch of chimps who attacked another chimp for sort of falling out of favor with the major players of the group. They pretty much beat it to a bloody pulp and left it to die. The scene before they switched topics was the chimp laying in a low branch bleeding all over the place. Kinda remnant of humans. I’ve also seen shows where lions kill leopards to control hunting space and I’m sure there’s lots of other examples. Though in all fairness these weren’t for entertainment.
I don’t think that was the point, I took it as more of a sarcastic jab at hunters. I am not a hunter, never have hunted, but I’ve heard that response before and it’s a bad argument/comment at best.
Your response above is much better.
I saw a show on chimps that was quite fascinating. They said the chimps have “politics” in the way an individual will try to gain higher status in the group by grooming others to gain there support and then they “overthrow” the dominant individuals! It’s like one makes campaign promises of higher rank to those he grooms IF they help him to take charge.
No, they weren’t for entertainment, but the statement below is still false. Entertainment or not, elephants, and other animals, can hurt “somebody” else unnecessarily. (There is no way that the baby water buffalo presented a threat to the elephants)
I guess the point I was trying to make was that even though animals hunt, we don’t have to.
And the reason I believe plants don’t have consciousness is because I think they are programmed to perform, very much like the earth goes 'round and 'round. Are we controlling it? No! But someone is for sure. And I think the reason plants are programmed to perform is because they are parts of this universal body as they are attached to it. So, they photosynthesize to take the elements above down into the earth to sustain the earth and that’s why earth does not crumble or lose substance and disappear.
And if the baby Hippo is going to venture inside elephant territory then the hippo was wrong in doing that not the elephant in attacking it.
What I was really saying was that animals can choose to live the way they want but we can have principles other than theirs to guide us and we should stick to our principles.
The point I was trying to make was that in the jungle, “might is right” in the sense of brawn or physical strength and power, but might should be right only in terms of fairness in the sense that you don’t interfere in my affairs and so I won’t in yours!
How do we know that plants do not have consciousness? We do know that they have no way to communicate with us and that is all. We also know for a fact that they can die along with every other living being in the planet. Therefore, I believe, that I have proved that life requires death. It seems as if it is just one big cycle. One that never ends.
Thank you for your reply.