I was just trying to give you the option of recognizing that, as Karpel Tunnel insists, questions like this are not necessarily “binary”.
Except for the pinhead objectivists who ever and always do turn moral and political value judgments into “one of us” [the good guys] and “one of them” [the bad guys].
How silly of me. 
Dude, with your own neo-liberal political statements you make yourself as the good guy where everybody else who dissents are bad. You’re a very bad hypocrite. C’mon man, you’re not even a good liar, I mean, just look at you. 
It wasn’t set up as binary, duh. My issue with you and your ilk is the lack of intellectual integrity.
a creepy senile idiot
One can easily imagine this “joker” who either can’t or won’t do anything against the rich and powerful fuckers that ream him up the ass along with all the rest of us, in his avatar persona, glowering at those here he can turn into scapegoats easily enough with his “world of words” harangues.
Oh, and just for the record [sigh] “even in my own words” I note time and again that in regard to “I” at the existential juncture of identiyt, value judgments and political economy, my own arguments here are no less existential contraptions rooted in dasein than his are.
I’m just less inclined to be that fulminating and fanatical Stooge/Kid he is. You know, in a philosophy forum.
Indeed, why the fuck is he even here when there are countless political forums out there he can do his “Joker thing” in with so many, many more there to “get the message”. Or is he a “Joker” in all of those too?
No, seriously.
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as for me, I believe IAM to be the best philosopher on this site,
bar none…as to my reasons?
I believe Iam is the best philosopher here because he is attempting to
solve the problem/problems that vex him and that is the point of
philosophy… to solve problems… now some problems require tools,
tools like science or math or history or economics or even logic…
but he is using that tool we call “philosophy”… and he is the only person
here who is attempting to solve his own problems using philosophy…
(I am exempting myself for obvious reasons)
the real reason that IAM is the best philosopher here is because he is
staying true, being committed to solving his problems…
he doesn’t go off message and derail a thread… his concern is
strictly about what concerns him… and frankly, I admire him
for his patience and persistence to keep up the good fight to
address his concerns…now some of you kids accuse him of derailing
a thread, whereas I don’t see that at all… he is keeping on message with
the concerns he is engaged with…
His questions of existence are different then mine, I will admit to that,
but they are still legitimate concerns and worthy of discussion
and, AND admiration…
IAM has his set of problems and he is seeking a solution/solutions for
those set of problems… no different then Hume or Kant or Heidegger…
and with a focus on his philosophical problems that we should congratulate
him for… not knock him…
I would in fact suggest that he is mocked and derided on this board
because of his dedication and his commitment to his issues…
and frankly, the kids just aren’t smart enough to see that IAM
problems aren’t just small, objectivist problems but universal
and in dire need of a solution problems…
I would suggest that his “divided” Mind/ soul are a modern
and universal problem created by the various and unique
issues brought about by Modernity…I would suggest that what he
describes about himself is just other words we often use about ourselves,
alienation, disconnection, estrangement, separation…these words are quite
often used in a description about the 20/21 century and the people who
live within the 20/21th century…
how do we, individually and collectively overcome our alienation, disconnection,
estrangement and separation between the society and ourselves, between
individuals and other individuals and most importantly, the alienation we
feel about ourselves… for we our alienated from ourselves… whether
we decide to face it and admit it to ourselves or not…
IAM “fracture and divided self” is just a single person examination
of what it means to live within the 21st century…
and in many ways, the single most important question of our times…
how do we become whole again?
I can see the “fractured and divided” self within many people here at
ILP… but can they see it within their own understanding and experience
of existing? NO, I doubt it…IAM is where practically everyone at ILP
needs to be… working out their own questions of existence…
working out the questions of modernity… what does it mean to be human?
and how do we overcome the modern state of being “fracture and divided?”
so instead of condemning IAM, we should be following him into the path of
an examination of who we are and what does it take to go from
animal to animal/human to finally, finally becoming fully human…
you are “fracture and divided” the only difference between you
and IAM is the fact he understand that and he is working toward a solution…
whereas you are not…he see’s deeper then you do and you of course,
condemn him because you are afraid of looking too deep within yourself…
because you might not like what you find…
he is stronger and braver then you are… and you know it…
so you lash out and attack him for it…with every attack on him,
you only expose your fear of seeking within yourself… you are afraid
of seeing as deeply as IAM see’s…
seek that which is deep within you… overcome your fear…
become who you are…
Kropotkin
I’m here because you and your pals have virtually censored or banned every other internet platform out there with your neo-liberal Marxist global-homo bullshit. I hope that explains that.
I’ll do something eventually, don’t you worry about that, but as the old saying goes, there’s a time and a season for everything. I’m just waiting for the right moment to strike back, we’re not there yet.
You’ll know when I’ll be doing my own thing once we reach food riots everywhere, 100 million homeless in the streets, and 75% national unemployment. I take comfort that you and your kind will be helpless when all of that eventually transpires.
Of course Peter likes Biggie, naturally.
K: I hold that IAM is the best philosopher on this site…
bar none… and you aren’t even one of the top 100 best
philosophers on this site…and so, I admire him…
for trying to achieve that which you are so afraid to attempt…
a reevaluation of values… what does Zero actually believe and,
most importantly, why? why those values? and what do those values
me for Zero? what does it mean to be human? Zero has no idea
and that is the problem… Zero has all the depth of a sheet of
paper… look deeper… challenge yourself into taking a deeper
look at yourself… what beliefs are actually your beliefs and
what beliefs are beliefs that have been indoctrinated into you?
Kropotkin
Note to others:
She allows herself to be reduced down to Pedro here.
Look, come on, in polemicist mode, I’ve been doing this for years now. You know damn well that what most of you want here is for someone to do to me what I effortlessly do to you: You want someone to make me look like the fool this time.
And I’m flat out admitting that if anyone here can, it’s phoneutria. Just for the repartee alone I’d like to tangle with her. Instead, I’m stuck with likes of the Kids here.
But, as with Karpel Tunnel, she “foes” me not because she actually does think I am a “creepy senile idiot”, but because she suspects instead that I will deconstruct her in turn.
So, merely by choosing the “foe” option, she keeps my arguments out of her head altogether.
On the other hand, maybe this “creepy senile idiot” retort is a reference to Zero_Brains.
In that case, never mind.
I believe in chaos and I also believe natural chaotic forces will destroy the abomination that is modern western civilization or society, I hope this clarifies things for you and Biggie. I feel I’ve been thoroughly consistent on this position for a great deal of many years now [decades] where it should be pretty obvious to all by now one would think.
No, as always, that explains you. Well, to me anyway.
Sure, by all means, do keep us informed. I spent nearly 25 years myself as a political activist. Only, sure, for the wrong side, right? Of course in the end I came to recognize that objectivism itself is the biggest illusion of them all: ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 5&t=185296
Just out of curiosity, when was the first decade that you predicted this?
Biggie, you shaking your ass on a street corner waving a sign calling it political activism isn’t even on my level.
I was off by about ten years, it happens, it’s called miscalculation. I’ll own up to that.
Nonetheless, it’s clear you and your kind don’t pay attention whatsoever to current events unless it’s a paid propagandist spoon feeding it to you.
Even as the cartoon character that you are here, this is truly pathetic. Or are you just “paraquoting” Pedro? Your only hope – perhaps – being that you are in fact just playing this reactionary cartoon character. An exercise in irony in order to display how infantile their “arguments” really are.
Off by ten years…a miscalculation?
Note to Wendy:
A new poll please. This one: What will Joker call his political fantasies after 20 years?
Again, you can’t possibly even believe this yourself. Even I refuse to believe that you actually are this…deluded.
It’s all an act, right?
I can’t wait to see what’s going to happen in the next four to six years, you people are going to be utterly destroyed or annihilated and I will be out here enjoying myself in every sort of way imaginable.
K: and leaving out the most important question, why? there is no value in chaos…
it doesn’t create or become something greater… it just is…and the second
question is why do you believe that “the abomination that is the modern
western civilization or society” is a valid critique…
if you oppose this, then offer us an alternative to this…
what society or civilization would meet your criteria…
the problem as I see it, is that you don’t offer us any alternative
to our “modern” society… ok, you hate modern society…
so give us some alternative…and of course answer the question
as to “why” this alternative is better then the current one…
as Is clear, I am no fan of the modern world myself…
and yet, I go into details about the who, what, where, why and how
of my opposition to the modern world and I offer up alternative
suggestions…for example, I am against the 1% because of…
and I offer up suggestions as to how to end or eliminate the vast
income inequality which threatens to destroy the world…
and what do you offer up?
mindless chaos and destruction which doesn’t benefit anyone,
so give us something better… if you can?
kropotkin
Come on, think this through…
Ten years ago you were making much the same “calculations”. So, based on your own past record, how confident can you be about this prediction?
And, please, if all of us scumbag liberals are “utterly destroyed”, who is going to be around to take the brunt of your witless and sarcastic rants? You don’t have any kids, right?
Now: Just tell me this is all an act and I’ll move on to others.
He has done this. A number of times. That was part of the funny thing about your other thread, where you said a bunch of things the kids never do. When in fact a number of the people you call kids have done those things.
Zero_Sum:
I believe in chaos and I also believe natural chaotic forces will destroy the abomination that is modern western civilization or society, I hope this clarifies things for you and Biggie. I feel I’ve been thoroughly consistent on this position for a great deal of many years now [decades] where it should be pretty obvious to all by now one would think.
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K: I see this very thing of which you are very proud of, as being a sign of weakness…
this “consistency” that you are very proud of, is a sign of weakness to me…
You have held the exact same belief for years without any change…and yet,
your own personal situation and society situation has changed
to hold to the need for chaos and destruction, is to hold a viewpoint that
isn’t any different then a 4 year old…
to destroy is far easier to do then to create… IQ45 has proven that…
in fact, I see a remarkable likeness to you and IQ45…
as to holding the exact same belief for years without any change
in values… and to the need for chaos…
you have no need for the “what is next” because you can’t get past
your need for chaos… the chaos that you so firmly desire happens,
now what? the world is in chaos and there is nothing to replace it…
any 4 year old can desire that… give me something of replacement
to this that tells us you have progress further then a 4 year old…
the magical rebuilding of society to conform to “YOUR” idea of what
a society ought to be…talk about reaching for a utopia…
maybe, possibly if society self destructs, I can reach a utopian
society that fits my agenda of what society/culture should be…
with zero thought as to the possible ramifications as to what a collapse of
society/culture will do to millions upon millions upon millions of people
around you…of course to be concerned about those millions of people,
you would actually have to some care or concern about people…
something you are lacking, no different than a 4 year old who is
only concern with fulfilling their need for destruction and chaos…
in a very real sense, you are a psychopath… watching millions of people
suffering while you enjoy it…that isn’t being human… that is following other
psychopaths like Hitler and Stalin and yes, IQ45…
and it wouldn’t surprise me to watch you “own” being a psychopath…
and that once again, brings us back to you being 4 years old…
for only a 4 years or a practicing psychopath would enjoy
being a psychopath… everyone else would try to become
something more… but not you…watching others suffer
seems to be your stock in trade… the only thing you are capable of…
and that seems to me to be very, very, very sad…
Kropotkin