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India, from where a large percentage of mass immigration comes, is a VERY wealthy country, far wealthier than the countries they are emigrating to. It has nuclear weapons for fuck sake. How is it the problem of other much poorer but better run countries if India is so badly run and doesn’t and never has distributed its enormous wealth fairly?? Other countries are just being used to siphon off their excess population thus potentially creating the same problems somewhere else.
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A large share are workers in Gulf states, often in construction, domestic work, and services; about half of all Indian emigrants live in West Asia and GCC countries. There is also a significant and growing flow of highly skilled professionals and students to OECD countries, especially in IT, engineering, healthcare, and research. And student emigration has surged, with hundreds of thousands going abroad for higher education each year (feeding longer‑term settlement abroad in many cases).
The main ‘pull’ factors abroad are higher wages and better working conditions. The wage differential for both low-skilled workers in the Gulf and high-skilled professionals in the West is substantial, making migration a rational economic decision. However, there is also demand for labour in ageing societies, as well as shortages of skilled workers (e.g. in Germany, the US and parts of the GCC). These countries actively recruit Indian workers, particularly those specialising in IT, engineering, and healthcare.
Education and research opportunities are also an issue, and access to better-resourced universities, research ecosystems and career pathways attracts students and researchers. Of course, there are also prospects for long-term settlement and citizenship. Pathways to permanent residence and family reunification in countries such as Canada, Australia and the US are a significant attraction for skilled migrants.
The thing is, this is normal for humanity. It is being framed as abnormal by people whose own populations have not risen to the challenge or have had fewer children. The added problem is that in the long term, Western society is unhealthy mentally, but migrants take that in their stride.
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Too much moron factor to be bothered with. Odd though that a terrorist thug would be so woke. Then again it probably makes sense. Guilt does strange things to a person.
Empty words, slogans, and garbage spew into the world out of your mouth, and facts don’t matter because your misguided mind is made up. Come to think of it, I wish you that you become a migrant or refugee too. It would teach you a lesson.
You have to be pro mass immigration I suppose, since you are an immigrant. Nothing like serving one’s self 
Maybe Germans don’t want thuggish ex terrorists in their country. Just a thought. :What exactly do you think you are ‘schooling’ me on? In case you hadn’t noticed, the world has changed. The world population has more than tripled in the past 60 or so years.
Unfortunately, many of those headed for certain GCC destinations, e.g. Dubai, are not in for a very good time.
They are lured in with promises of good wages and working conditions, only to get there and have their passports removed and be housed in remote locations that look and function like jails.
Then when they are paid (if they are paid), it is a small fraction of what they are promised, despite working ridiculously long hours doing gruelling work. Many commit suicide as a result, because they simply have no way out.
There is plenty of material regarding this online.
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Bro, don’t be such a schmuck, kvetching about migrants, don’t you see your ancestors were migrants from way back east i’m telling yer, we’ve lost our history, roots schmootz people now say. I recommend that you take the feces of a white dog and mix it with balm.
And be one **
who loves his neighbors,
and who draws his relatives close, and who
marries the daughter of his sister,
** if you live in Rhode Island or other states which permit it
No clue what the fuck you are on about Satyr, but yeah, we all came from one small part of Africa, but here’s the thing. There were no countries back then. Humans organise. That’s what we do because we are quantum systems and we follow the laws of physics. That’s never going to change no matter how woke you pretend to be.
Do you have an idea of how many British people have emigrated? They are everywhere.
Your point? You really aren’t very bright are you?
It is fair to say that the thread has derailed from the original philosophoical thought experiment and more into the realms of real world politics. I would suggest to lock the thread since I figure there isn’t anymore productive discussion relating to the original premise occuring.
You’re not very bright if your argument rests on calling someone by another chatter’s name.
You are a very callous sociopathic racist. I too am against mass migration but l’m also against exploitation of other countries. Realistically the latter won’t stop, so the former can’t be expected to stop.
Whatever you have to say on the matter doesn’t matter, because you are hateful. To be so hateful you absolutely must have done extreme evil in your life, to the point that an evil spirit starts to look through your eyes and converse through you. I won’t speculate further. Oh, except that you accuse Muslims of paedophilia and incest, which led me to correctly assume you were Jewish because that is in the Jewish religion as l’ve shown above, in response to which you became all coy and less of a lion.
I disagree with lots of people but will only trash someone with zero arguments, zero redeeming features. That’s you that is.
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Before thread is locked let me point out: the alt right Islamophobes are boats sailing on a sea of illegal migrants. Without illegal migrants these alt right firebrands won’t exist. It’s fair to say, the alt right blowhards will make sure the illegal immigrants arrive in droves. They are literally worth their weight in gold to the alt right.
is it inherintely always immoral to not want mass immigration, even if it lowers our quality of life?
Leftists and open-borders are responsible for over 250,000 deaths from immigration. 4,000 immigrants died from merely the journey alone.
Rich giving to the poor
America is not a morally perfect nation. At the beginning of his 2nd presidency, Trump did some immoral things such as cutting USAID to foreign poor nations.
In normal circumstances, America would and should be giving free food to poor nations, America has been giving freebies to poor nations in the past.
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Money giving to poor
It is shown that by giving UBI to poor African nations, it helps stabilize their economies and makes them more productive.
Overall technological progress of a nation is caused by Genetics, Culture and Resources. When you have a culture that is anti-high-speed trains and is car-centric you don’t get much progress.
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Refugees
Again America is not morally perfect. Some wars are caused by America and Joos controlling American politics. Therefore some refugees are directly or indirectly caused by America.
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Ethnonationalism
Ethnonationalism is inherently moral because beauty and morality are interlinked. Japan is a nation of morals and morality, and it is a nation of ethnonationalism. Multiculturalism is chaos, leading to low trust societies and increased amounts of crime. Multiculturalism is aesthetically disharmonious and chaotic.
I dont believe in Ethnonationalism for America because America was founded as a nation of White-majority with some blacks. I believe in Ethnonationalism for European countries which are innocent.
The god of the West is money, the dollar. If they put bike-centric cities it may merely be not because they care about anybody, but because car-centric has proven to be unprofitable. They sold the UK out for money. They sold the UK to Jews then the Jews sold the UK to Muslims. There are some advantages of Muslim societies such as Burkas, but its basically Muslims stealing land from white people and destroying the original UK culture. How is that moral? How is erasing British people and their culture moral?
May i ask how Muslims are stealing UK land? How are a community of greengrocers, taxidrivers, mobile phone repairers, barbers and forklift drivers defeating the UK? Make sure you know the scene before sweeping judgements.
The core of Muslims in the UK are from the British Commonwealth, which used to be the British Empire. I believe we have a common destiny despite the beginnings not being favourable to us. By unfavourable to us, l mean: ask yourself why the British Empire was so rooted in the Indian Subcontinent if it was the mess it is today? It was and still is, a virtual and actual goldmine. We in the UK are not just in menial trades either, we prop up the National Health Service. We are well absorbed into academia, we are bookish not just manual labourers. Even as manual labourers, we helped the UK when it could have backslid into oblivion after 2 world wars. You probably have no idea the toll those world wars took on the UK and the British Commonwealth. Many thousands died in both world wars from all over the commonwealth and seemingly every English village now has a war memorial to its local sons who died. My grandfather was tortured by the Japanese (l adore the Japanese) in WW2 because he was helping the allied forces in the merchant navy (it was probably the incompetent Lord Mountbatten to blame).
No wait, just say how Muslims are stealing land in the UK? I hope you realise, hardly anybody can own land in London now, it’s too expensive, but the rest of the UK okay we own our front and back yards in our tiny terraced houses. Woooow.
All the bad things you hear about migrants, they are alien to our communities. The religious fundamentalists for example, l’ve experienced them and even had to argue againt them when they tried to take over my university campus Islamic centre. They had a very low understanding of Islam and were clearly being financed by someone, they were flashing cash around and buying huge number of books for us and groceries too, and they weren’t even students, and then they began giving sermons during Friday prayers that were full of hate speech. It was a smear campaign. They even did the same at my secondary school. I honestly think they were Hindus or something. They just knew nothing about Islam and kept saying all this revanchist political crap that was fake, irrelevant to our religion and irrelevant to school boys and university students so why were they waiting at the school gates or trying to lecture at university campus mosques? Just to smear us. And then the scandals started coming out, about racist, extremist firebrands in our mosques and even university mosques etc. etc. etc.
This has nothing to do with traditional UK Muslims. As for the recent huge number of refugees from the 1990s to present, they should have gone to local nations, yet they were shipped here en masse because the UK has some sort of international obligation via treaty, to accept a quota of refugees? A pregnant Somali lady in a burqa pushing a pram with 2 kids in tow is worth literally £1 million if she dropped into the UK and walks down a traditional English small town high street. The sheer alienation she causes, would have an effect similar to a mini nuke, it would poison minds against the left wing within a 5 km radius. Pretty much everyone would develop some right wing inclination in their mind from that. She’s worth shipping into the UK. Sadly this resulted in a pregnant Somali lady being stabbed to death in a relatively small satellite town outside London called Milton Keynes. People hate it. Unfortuantely the refugees have no clue what they’re walking into, they just see a light at the end of the tunnel and don’t need telling twice when invited to the UK. They should stick to nearby culturally Islamic countries, though to be fair, those countries are all in economic ruin.
But there’s my point: these are economically ruined people. Not an invasion force.
You talk of destroying British culture, but multiculturalism has made the UK more than it could ever have been. When l say we saved the UK from backsliding into oblivion after WW2, you need to check out the comedy serial “Steptoe and Son” to see the kind of culture that was. It was a beautiful culture right up to the 70s, before multiculturalism became a real phenomenon. Sure. It was quaint, beautiful, but the UK would probably have fallen behind other nations e.g. India, China, France, Russia, had immigration not been introduced.
Immigration is also a trade off - we give or used to give the UK things cheaply, in exchange we could migrate to the UK to earn cash to send home. That is in essence what we exist for - to send money back home.
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“In cases of need all things are common property, so that there would seem to be no sin.” St Thomas Aquinas.
This famous principle in Catholic theology, suggests that private property is not absolute and must be shared if someone else is in “need”.
One could interpret this as a theological basis for global wealth redistribution or “ecclesiastical” socialism.
The Catholic Church uses the idea of 'common property" to promote a system where individual rights, e.g. private ownership are secondary to the needs of the collective.
That by stating there is “no sin” in taking what is needed for survival, the doctrine effectively redefines theft, a dangerous precedent that could be used to justify the seizure of private assets under the guise of economic crisis.
It is actually theft under the guise of charity and the state or church should not have the authority to declare all things “common property”,
It is not the United States or western civilization’s purpose to be the world’s police force and international global savior.
People need to fix problems in their own nations instead of relying on the west or immigrating here. There are limits to charity and goodwill.
It is not immoral to prioritize your own people first, suicidal empathy for others leads to huge self destruction.
It is not fair of the entire world to over burden western civilization with responsibilities they’re not willing to carry within their own nations. It’s also not fair to displace the native inhabitants of western civilization either.
