news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds … 599524.stm
Warning: this news story is not pleasant in the slightest
But in the recent vein of starting pointless threads I’m here to ask those who ‘defend’ homosexuality against charges of immorality to explain what they think is the difference between homosexual behaviour and the acts noted in the news story above.
I’m no great defender of homosexuality. I see it as a learned behavior…
With that disclaimer, I ask simply; How can you possibly equivocate a consenting act between adults to the rape of a baby?
Or even the rape of one adult by another.
Id say apples and oranges, but they are both fruit. It’s more like apples and anvils.
siatd,
Dr. S is right. There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. This isn’t to say that a homosexual cannot also be a pedophile, but those who would defend homosexuality can very easily be adamately opposed to pedophilia. They are completely different issues.
I have an Imp-style answer for pedophilia. Assuming some form of genetic aberration, we just kill 'em as fast as we find 'em. Eventually, we’ll weed the aberration out of the gene pool. I may be a soft headed soft hearted liberal, but there are a few issues that are black and white, and this is one of them.
JT
Hi,
I agree with the Dr. that consent is a deciding factor in this. Paedophilia (or Paederasty) should be illegal because of the consent issues involved. However, is a paedophilic thought any more ‘deviant’ than a homosexual one? If you are attracted to young children, is that any different being attracted to say old people or people of your own age. It’s obvious to see why paedophilia is such a taboo because of the violence and other nastiness that often comes with it such as in the article given, but I don’t think that necessarily means a paedophilic thought is an immoral one. During the Greek empire, the act of ‘eros’ between a man and a young boy was considered the highest form of love, a societal norm. I’m not denying the social evolutionary reasons for the demonisation of paedophilia but I’m not sure as to what makes it so different from any other kind of attractedness?
No necessary connection, no…
Both have been condemned and both have been labelled peversions. I know what it is like to not be a ‘pro-Gay’ person and to see the difference between the two, I want to know what it is like for someone who is one of these people when looking at such a differentiation.
It remains an open question…
Ben,
The difference is in the consent issue. Yes, the Greeks practiced a form of paedophilia, but it was cultuurally approved and the question of consent isn’t clear. Today’s pedophile isn’t concerned about consent, nor does it make any difference male or female. It is rape. Period. That it is perpetrated on children makes it even more odious in that they often are too young to understand what is happening to them.
Is it more aberrant than homosexuality? Perhaps not, but the practice is far more violent both physically and mentally.
Same answer as before: Kill 'em all.
JT
How is the issue of consent with the Greeks unclear? Isn't the idea that children can't consent to sex just a legal construction to protect them from what we a priori consider immoral behavior? If ancient Greek kids could consent, then I don't see why American kids can't, and vica versa.
What's more, this consent defense has a fatal flaw in it: it presumes that sex is some sort of 'big deal' that [i]requires[/i] consent and special attention in the first place. The whole concept hinges on sex being something with inherent moral judgements floating about it. As sex becomes more like a handshake and less like a contract [i]among adults[/i] I believe the idea of consent will become confused in regards to children as well. Technically, a child can't consent to a handshake, a hug, a snowball fight or a spanking, either.
A girl is ready to breed when she begins her menstrual cycle. The sooner she breeds, the more time she has to spend with her offspring. The greater the bond with her child, as they have more time together, and the better the quality and quantity of the educational period the mother has to teach her child. Breeding should be started as soon as possible, and only done with superior specimens.
And you know where I stand on homosexuality. I don’t support it. Period. The anus is a one-way street and no man should have to put another man’s unit in his mouth unless he is stranded on an island with a protein deficiency and a buddy who has a calloused hand.
I agree with satan.
How can you equivicate an act between consenting adults to an act of rape? Especially an act of rape against children?
A few years ago there was a murder case in the states where two brothers killed their father. The motive was that the younger brother (about 12 or 13) was having homosexual encounters with a man next door and the father found out demanding that it stop, so the boys killed him.
In court, the boy was asked if the neighbor influenced him in anyway. The boy report that he was in love and did it for that reason. This notion was never challenged in court and the neighbor was never charged.
This coupled with the trend in the US to prosecute children as adults provides me with a vision of the future where all a child has to do is say “yes” and that means consent.
I believe this to be a plot similar to what we have seen in the homosexual thread.
Masturbation has been condemned and has been labelled in as equally nasty terms as “perversion.” I would like someone to demonstrate how a masturbator is any different from a homosexual or pedophile… 
There is also the issue of ‘age of consent’
Boffing a 14 year old, in the USA, is pedophilla.
In canada, it’s perfectly fine (legally at least)
I don’t think that’s right Satanical…
could be wrong though, how sure are you?
I thought if the person is over 21 it’s technically stachetory rape
How sure? Absolutely positive. The age of concent in Canada is 14.
12 if the partner is 14 or younger.
ageofconsent.com/canada.htm
well semantically… it’s ebophilia. There has been a rash of teachers committing ebophilia in the states, I don’t consider that moral, no more than the president using his position to get head from lewinsky.
pedophilia is 12 and below, ebophilia is 13 to 19.
Yeah I was contemplating making a topic “is masturbation immoral”. it’s a perversion just like homosexuality!
It all depends on where you draw the line, it’s pretty clear the line is drawn at the age of consent and whether it was a consentual act.
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How about ‘is looking at girls in any sexual context whatsoever immoral’
after all, cheating in your heart is equivilant to cheating in the flesh…
What about eating pork? I’m pretty sure THAT is immoral…
Or selling your goat to your neighbor on the sabbath…
Pedophiles are not wanting a mutual relation they are wanting power and control, they are predators that are out to harm not to help. They thrive on being able to seduce an underage person to have sexual acts. Not just sex but harmful degrading controling sex. For the pedophile they want their lust satisfied they really do not care about the kid. It has nothing to do with caring for the underage person. It is a pure lust.
Age of consent varies between state to state and countries. But, try to explain that to a protective parent who just found out a 30yr old just had sex with their 14 yr old child. My guess is more often then not that 30yr old better run for the hills if Daddy has a shotgun.
Gender does not play into this act at all, male and female can be pedophiles. Consent is needed but not just consent, it is comprehension to the fullest. Children 90% of them do not fully comprehend sex and it ramifications mental or physical. To equate homosexuality to pedophiles is apples and oranges as was said earlier, to have in your heart the wanting to harm a child is horrible. If you cannot be attracted to people the age of adults then you need your head checked for self esteem issues.
Now I acknowledge that a 21 to 25 yr old can be attracted to a 14 or 13 yr old there is not that great of an age gap. but if it is love ,then the older should have the sense God gave a piss ant and wait. It could only be better when both are fully mature.
I know of successful relations that have age gaps more then 10 yrs apart up 22 yrs difference and they are happy people. but, everyone was adults when their relation started.
I once hread that if pedophiles didn’t abuse children they would perhaps be the best parents in the universe. sadly, as we know, this isn’t necessarily the case.
Homosexuality is no longer considered a perversion - at least legally in many countries.
Pedophilia is.
The issue is MASSIVE. Where to begin?
Don’t molest kids. But niether hide them from the realities of human nature. And what exactly is the difference between a baby, a child, a teen, a young adult, an adult, middle age, old age, pensioner, and dead??
I don’t condone pedophilia.
I do wonder, however, how many ‘young people’ are in relationships right now with older ‘poeple’ and both have mutual trust and will never be discovered or reported in the news papers…
A stereotype.
One could argue the same about masturbators…
Well yeah, that’s just an axiomatic comment regarding a pedophile. What’s your point?
Not necessarily. As mentioned, plenty of young teenagers are willing participants despite being unable to legally consent.
Ever read ‘Lolita’? If you haven’t then I suggest you at least watch the movie adaptations…
It usually depends on the sex of the child and the variations among customs. If a 14 year old boy had willingly but illegally had sex with a 31 year old woman then in many places he’d be revered, at least by his father and peers…
True, but the stereotype is a middle-aged Belgian geography teacher with a mustache/moustache
No-one can understand the ramifications of sex unless they’ve done it a few times. By very definition someone who hasn’t had sex can’t understand the full ramifications…
Right… It’s all about self-esteem…
How would you know? Have you had sex with a 13 year old when you were 21 to 25? Were you in love? You can’t have both done it and waited to do it. Therefore you aren’t in a position to say…
Again, we can only speculate as to the mentality of the average pedophile.
I didn’t consider myself an adult until I was 21 but I had sex before then and, it would seem, so do a high proportion of people. With hindsight this may well have been a mistake. Ah well, you live and learn…
I’m not gloating, just noting, that no-one has been able to point to a conclusive difference, though I do believe that we’ll find one