To me philosophy is understanding by questioning statements answers plus debating. Can morals be brought into a discipline and if yes then does it change it’s character (the discipline) ? Morals are metaphysical and not secular. If one understands good and bad according to the law they are responsible for their actions. Therefore morals is a spiritual metaphysical discipline to itself and secular morals are strictly material? Feedback please. pljames
There are philosophers and then there are philosophers. The first can only rationalize the two pennies circumstance gave them, and they rub them together for all of their worth. If they can moralize, it’s never beyond that scope… and they are bores.
And then there are philosophers, Titans of the spirit who delve deep into the murk outside of commonly accepted reason, and drag up the muck we despise, and through it down before us and say ‘Look here’. They have lived the difficult life, and bear the marks of it’s complexity, and have in many cases overcome it’s obstacles, and still are obsessed enough to pursue what they haven’t yet mastered. They don’t have two pennies to rub together, they are the mint. They are the source of moral philosophy- and all men have access to it. It’s largely unconscious in the average man, and we don’t care to encourage it too much. It’s a largely unprofitable reckoning for most of us who can live long if we keep still and not rock the boat. It’s the misfortune of these sailors that great storms do rock humanity unexpectedly, and we own the sea worthiness of the boat we inherited to those great philosophers. I would recommend learning how to at least steer it to reduce your chances of sinking… I don’t ask that you learn how to build them… just be bold enough to steer it into the hazardous moral waves to prevent capsizing. It’s baby steps.
The answer is yes- the cult of disciplina, and it’s subject oriented categorizations, is a moral bi-product of past philosophers, and this is the central axis to ALL philosophy, even the most bland mathematics or transcendental of logic. They are not possible without the philosopher, and the philosopher makes them as dependent offshoots under the tree of his philosophy… produced in his very real life, as a by product of it. There is no other way out of the moral woods. There is no shortcuts to philosophy- your whole conception is backwards. It’s what you get when you focus on building upon the product and not the operation or it’s origins in motivations and cognitive needs to create it in the first place, and the alternatives that existed then and now. Modern school systems produce many such half thinkers. No fault to you. But now you know. Now you can explore.
Morals is not secular?
Morals are spiritual?
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Aren’t morals both secular and religious? Say you inadvertently stumbled onto a child rape-in-progress. Would you try to stop that rape on secular or religious grounds or on both? Aren’t many of the secular ‘morals’ based on religious ‘morals?’ 