is suicide a sin…I don’t think so…the word sin needs to be thrown out of the church…
The general, though not universal consensus is that it is indeed a sin. Each denomination will tell you a slightly different story, even within denominations you can find people disagreeing.
Life is usually seen by Christians as a gift, so suicide is basically you not appreciating God’s gift. When you see babies dying at birth due to deformations you kind of start questioning the whole “life is a gift” part though.
I think people have the right to do what they want as long as they don’t harm OTHERS, so yes, I advocate allowing suicide. I don’t support people committing it, I just think they have the right to control their own life.
Why do you care so much about that word ‘sin’?
You have your Golden Rule philosophy to guide you… What difference do labels make?
There are still a couple of threads that I was in and I don’t feel right about just dropping. And when I see something like this, I have the urge to whack some sense into Turtle.
But I don’t read most of the forums any more… only R&S and a bit of Off-Topic.
Yeah, it’s a sin to religious. But not like you’re going to be judged by a guy sitting in the sky with a beard anyways, so why’s it matter. When you realize most of “life” is all social construct created by us, it’s depressing. It’s a jungle inside of an outside jungle.
Good luck on your travels then, phyllo.
It is both sin and morally/socially wrong too.
with love,
sanjay
What does the individual owe to ‘society’?
Morally wrong how? We all die anyway, so why not choose to die a little earlier than the rest? If the person has no children, no wife, no family. Who are they hurting through their suicide? Society and the random care? I seriously doubt it. That’s why most of them are so blunt and stereotypical to anyone outside of their groups of close friends/family/self, right? Because they care?
Everything that one has, including his own existence.
He was not fallen from the sky. It was society that makes his existence possible. That is why he has no right to end his life.
On the other hand, the society cannot escape from sharing its failure if any member of it commits suicide. If everything would be right within the society, no one will commit suicide. Because, suicide could not be the first choice in any case. People do it when they do not find any other choice or society fails to provide such members other feasible alternatives.
with love,
sanjay
So it was society that carried him/her around for 9 months than gave birth, society that fed and clothed him through working jobs, society that taught him when young, society that would be paying for their coffin after death? Not everyone gives birth at hospitals (Society) you know.
He does fall from the sky. Babies are born without society. They fall into society and forced to live within its context…which has certain benefits and hindrances.
Within that context, he owes other individuals only what he has agreed to trade with them.
Money? Pay your taxes and your loans, then you can kill yourself 
That’s bullshit. I never decided to be brought into existence. I can’t be responsible for and suffer the consequences of a decision I was incapable to make or even be present while it’s made. To deprive people of rights to their own bodies is an ultimate act of dictatorship, cruelty and immorality. Once you conclude that people’s bodies belong to the state they can do anything they want.
Then, why are you wasting your time in discussion here!
Secondly, at the time of your birth, if your parents would have also thought that you will die anyway and killed you, you would have not been here posting at ILP.
You are mistaken. It does not matter whether one has family or not, he is still a part of the big chain called society. The society would miss something for sure, more or less. No one lives in isolation. He affects his surroundings and gets affected by that too.
with love,
sanjay
They would miss out on, not miss them.
My parents don’t have the decision to kill me, only I do. They only have the decision to bring me here, what gives them the right/choice to decide whether or not I die when they already decided I live?
The problem is that the mindset has become so intruded that it cannot see things even at its face value.
Society does not mean merely hospitals or any government organizations. And, it is not the case that one’s family is different from the society.
Parents of the child are also a part of the society, because their parents gave them birth, thus the chain of society continues. It is society that take of the individuals in the form of family.
with love,
sanjay
Phyllo,
Like Artimas, you also got it wrong.
Babies cannot be born without society, for the simple reason that his/her parents are the very part of the society. Family is included in the definition of society, as well as individuals. If you start excluding families and individuals from the society, what would be left in that?
with love,
sanjay
What if said parents live like hermits, out in the middle of no where? Or perhaps in a tribe? Are they still apart of society? How about the Amish?
I am not saying either that your parents had the right to kill you. It was you who suggested that we all going to die anyway, so why not today.
Fortunately for you, your parents did not have that wonderful reasoning and let you live. They did not thought you will also die one day, so would be the purpose of leaving you alive!
Any child, who takes birth, will die one day for sure. So, why wait for so many years? Why not finist the job today?
Remember, it is not me, but you who suggested that we all die anyway. I am merely extending your argument.
with love,
sanjay