Is there anyone to dispute the truth of this verse?

God finally told, “none of my creations or their derivatives can get rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability."

Is there anyone to dispute the truth of this verse scientifically, philosophically, experimetnally, or intellectually?

sure stellamonica :slight_smile: …no law must apply to us- this is our gift of free will…such as the act of suicide.

therefore…

false by definition of free will…suicide

Replace God with Universe and you can make the same argument. Therefore it is indistinguishable.

are you speaking to me?

No the OP.

The Universe has the same conservation of energy laws as God apparently. :slight_smile:

Actually saying that strictly speaking energy is indivisible being the fundamental unit of matter, so there we go one example of indivisibility; of course energy divides into woo at the fundamental level thus magic cheesecake. But most Boffins are distinctly unimpressed by wizards and/or magical cake.

Where is this quote from? Which God said this?

The belief is that God exists… a belief cannot be disputed.
The underlying assumption is that there is of a creator God.
The underlying assumption is that there is creation.
The underlying assumption is that these things exist.
The underlying assumption is that these things are industructable.

Assumptions can neither be proven or disproven.

Assume = “to take for granted or without proof; suppose; postulate.” dictionary.com

God created this state and yet it is inferred that he doesn’t have them? i would presume that he both has them and doesn’t have them, ~ the more likely if such aspects are manifest of god and god is infinite [incomparable]. If this is so, then all things manifest of god would also have both natures.

Unless he can create by dividing himself, …where he is indivisible? One must presume that both he and his creations have both aspects.

… hence we have souls?

Wonderer finally told, “All of these attributes you name are not some points of truth in our own nature, they are merely the truth of your own observations. vague concepts like divisibility in humans do not properly simplify the human condition; they are narrow in view and obscure in meaning”.

I think some serious clarification is in order…

First, where might one find this “verse”?

Second, by “get rid of” – do you mean under any circumstances and/or period of time (even if temporarily), or do you mean destroy forever, for everyone?

If you answer is the former I’d say all of the attributes you specified are debatable. If the latter, how can one truely destroy any idea for everyone, for eternity (let alone do so knowingly)? Seems an impossibility to me…

Kind of like me saying - in a phrophetic way (so picture my brow furrowed and my arms raised to the sky, one holding a golden goblet) - “People shalt not live without water”. Problem is nothing can live without water - the statement is far too vague.

Energy is divisible. If engergy cannot be divided, the there will occur no energy transduction or transformation!

Is your free willl has no restrictions imposed by nature?

A thing and a property are not the same

Is infinity incomparable?

Is divisibility an illusion?

Energy cannot be divided below a quantum.

Well stella, what I would like to dispute is what is implied rather than what is said. “none of my creations”? Who is the speaker? Who makes this declaration? God? Some other? My dispute would not be that we are derivative, or divisable, comparable to other things, connected to other things, easily disturbed and reordered after death…the last two make no sense to me (substitutability and satisfiability). I would not deny all this, but I would argue that everything conceivable, anything that we think of needs to be all of these things in order for us to even think of it. Otherwise we do not conceive nor sense a thing. Lacking these qualities what you have left is chaos.
The universe is supposedly expanding thanks in part by the action of a Dark Matter which repells matter away. Eventually, some models suggest, the universe will be so far into the expansion that all matter would be obliterated because everything would break down to sub-atomic particles that would be so far from one another that all reconfiguration would stop. At that point, there would be little, if any, sense in talking about derivation, divisibility, comparability, disturbability, connectivity or reorderability.

free will is suicide- that means you can let go of all supposed restrictions. without free will there is no suicide.
therefore free will has restrictions imposed by nature but that was not your question stellamonika.

your question was…

the answer is yes…i can dispute the truth of that verse that creation can not rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability.

the reason i can dispute this false truth is because there is creation that can rid of these things.

specifically this creation is called humans. we are humans.

humans can get rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability.

the way humans can get rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability is through suicide.

suicide is killing yourself knowingly. if one kills themself knowlingly then they will know that they are ridding themselves of existence.

if one is ridding themselves of existence knowingly then they are commiting suicide.

if one commits suicide then they are ridding themselves of existence.

if one is ridding themselves of existence then they are also ridding themselves of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability.

if one rids themself from divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability then they have gotten rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability because they can no longer experience divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability.

therefore this verse that no creation can rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability is false because humans- which are creation- can rid themselves of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability. if someone rids themself of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability then they have gotten rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability. whether it is ridded for others is irrelevant because they have rid it of themselves and if they have rid it of themselves then they have successfully gotten rid of divisibility, comparability, connectivity, disturbability, reorderability, substitutability and satisfiability which the verse says can not happen.

therefore because the verse says that this can not happen and yet it can and has due to the giving up of one’s life through suicide it’s supposed truth has been disputed intellectually, philosophically and scientifically (by way of common sense)

Can you think of something that compares to it? Anything we think of is defined and hence has limits, thus cannot be compared to the infinite.

Then, how one can think of infinity and write about it?

It is an assumption made by quantum mechanics. The assumption is yet to be verified and validated!