# Is wisdom absolute and infinite?

Is wisdom both absolute and infinite simultaneously?

By absolute : I define it as separate from and attainable as a concept or many individual concepts yet paradoxically connected via infinite.

A mixed state of being “static” or as defined by the dictionary as well
“viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.”

Infinite I define as “repetitive evolving, relative continuation of”

For example, take math 2+2, we grasp this basic concept absolutely, yet this basic grasped mathematics leads to an evolution in our understanding, leading to more and other intricate and or complex concepts regarding math and this evolution is what connects an absolute concept to an infinite evolution of it.

Conscious understanding of a full context leads to other questions arising which leads to whole new context to be understood. Is this wisdom/knowledge and how it functions in relation to consciousness? Is this why consciousness in relation to wisdom is depicted as a staircase? Each step being absolute and able to be grasped as well as being connected to the next step and to an infinite number of steps?

Context = who, what, why, when, where, how attached to idea = imagery.

When we understand the full context of who, what, why, when, where and how, of any concept, a new question is then posed, providing an entire new set of who, what, why, when, where, how, in continuance.

The absolute cannot be thought and is beyond language. It is necessarily infinite and unbounded. But even that statement is wrong because it implies that there is something finite and bounded by contrast. Name and form are necessarily dual and relative.

Well could the single concepts we are able to grasp and retain as knowledge be considered finite or “absolute”? That concept then grows via context. Like the 2+2 example, we grasp it and retain this idea as singular or individually absolute, even though that idea also evolves into more complex mathematics.

We cannot think of the infinite because it is not comprehensible but we see samples of it by the continuous evolving of wisdom or concepts to research that provide such.

What do you mean by dual and relative? Are you meaning language/concept to describe such?

What is the relationship of 2+2 to that which has no relationship? The absolute is uncaused and uncausal, uncreated and uncreating.

Dual means at least binary, consisting of two parts, elements, or aspects. Relative means contingent, dependent, considered in relation or in proportion to something else.

The absolute has been called the one. But, it is unbounded and therefore, uncountable. It is not the first of two or the beginning of a series. It is nondual.

Well that is the thing, it has a relationship with that which evolves or comes out of it.

But it is also absolute, it’s an independent concept, yet things still evolve out of it to be understood that aren’t necessary to be understood to understand 2+2, so in a way that appears to us, it looks absolute, yet we can then discover more in relation to what we have first learned.

Like an infinite chain reaction of which we as conscious individuals can pause at a chain-link and grasp that concept or chain-link like it is absolute and not attached to an infinity when it is attached and never ends.

How is it nondual, are you meaning all concepts are just one?

Yes, what I am saying is, how can wisdom be both absolute(independent) and infinite(continuous evolution that does not end), because our understanding grows but it does so as well through the form of things being understood as something that appears as absolute, it seems paradoxical.

So say I learn a concept(context), in that moment that context will seem to me as absolute and I am able to grasp it consciously as an independent concept, that is how we retain the knowledge, in that first initial understanding of that specific context, a new context arises from that to understand, this repeats as an infinite. Which is the relation of wisdom to consciousness, how we interpret knowledge yet never are really “done” with it.

It is basically two opposite aspects of wisdom, of which we consciously may be able to retain knowledge as chunks. Yet that knowledge only grows deeper and is never ending. We will never be able to understand an infinite aspect of knowledge regarding anything, yet we can grasp pieces of it as if they are absolutes.

Is the absolute merely an illusion to perception by how wisdom/knowledge works or is it truly absolute simultaneously with being infinite.

Does this play a role in why it may take generations to grasp different and more complex concepts with different versions of perception/conscious thinking?

At what point will we arrive at a spot where we cannot go any further in terms of wisdom? Is there even such a spot? We can’t grasp an infinity which is what it is, yet we can grasp absolute versions or slices of that infinity and apply it to reality.

We are also quite attached to this infinite string ourselves yet operate as independent or absolute individuals while being attached to it directly… attached to this infinity yet able to operate singularly.

Basically a simpler way to put this would be…

if person A knows all about trees and has a grasp on their absolute knowledge of them, would you question the fact that they may not know something in regards to them when knowledge itself is never ending?

I would indeed question how or if they really know everything there is to know about trees due to the nature of wisdom being infinite, yet they would be at a spot of which would appear as absolute.

Better analogy perhaps?

The question of whether wisdom is absolute and infinite is complex and doesn’t lend itself to a straightforward answer. Wisdom, in its essence, is often considered the application of knowledge and experience to make sound judgments and decisions. The wise person is said to have or show experience, knowledge, and good judgement and is sensible or prudent in their actions.

Many figures revered for their wisdom throughout history often engaged deeply with understanding the nature of reality. They sought to align their actions and decisions with what they perceived to be fundamental truths or principles. This process of seeking alignment with reality can indeed lead to better long-term outcomes, as it allows individuals to make decisions that are in harmony with the way the world works.

Wisdom, then, can be seen as a continual process of discovery and alignment, where individuals strive to deepen their understanding of reality and adjust their behaviour accordingly to achieve desirable outcomes for themselves and society as a whole. This aligns with the idea that wisdom is not just about possessing knowledge but also about applying that knowledge in a way that promotes well-being and flourishing in the long term.

The idea of fundamental truths or principles being regarded as absolute and possibly infinite is certainly a common thread in many philosophical and religious traditions. These truths are often seen as universal and enduring, providing a foundation for understanding reality and guiding ethical behaviour. In some belief systems, these fundamental truths are indeed regarded as divine, originating from a transcendent source or divine revelation. In this view, wisdom involves aligning oneself with these divine truths or principles to live a virtuous and meaningful life.

Compassion is a common underlying theme among many wisdom traditions and religions. It’s often regarded as a fundamental virtue that guides ethical behaviour and fosters harmonious relationships among individuals and communities. Many wisdom traditions regard love as a foundational principle. This can include love for oneself, others, and even the divine or the universe. Love is seen as a powerful force for connection, healing, and spiritual growth. In connection with this, many wisdom traditions emphasise the importance of justice and fairness in human interactions. This involves treating others with equity and impartiality, upholding honesty, integrity, and accountability principles, and working towards a more just and equitable society.

Numerous traditions value humility as a virtue, emphasizing the importance of modesty, openness, and a willingness to learn from others. Humility involves recognising one’s limitations, acknowledging the contributions of others, and approaching life with a sense of humility and gratitude. Forgiveness is emphasised to release resentment, anger, and bitterness towards others. It involves letting go of the desire for revenge and extending compassion and understanding to those who have wronged us. Forgiveness is seen as a pathway to healing and reconciliation, both on a personal and societal level.

In many traditions, gratitude is regarded as a transformative practice. It encourages individuals to cultivate a sense of appreciation for the blessings and opportunities in their lives. It involves acknowledging the kindness of others, recognising the interconnectedness of all beings, and approaching life with a sense of abundance and thankfulness.

Mindfulness, or the practice of being fully present in the moment, is emphasised in several wisdom traditions, including Buddhism and Taoism. It involves cultivating awareness, attention, and nonjudgmental acceptance of the present moment, leading to greater clarity, peace, and insight.

I think we struggle with some wisdom traditions. For example, much of the wisdom in the Tao Te Ching resonates with people across different cultures and time periods, but some aspects may seem less accessible or relevant to modern readers. It was written over two millennia ago in ancient China and often employs paradoxical and poetic language, emphasising non-duality and the interdependence of opposites. Our emphasis on individualism and personal fulfilment contrasts with the Taoist emphasis on harmony with nature and the interconnectedness of all things. While pursuing personal goals and self-expression is valued in many contemporary cultures, Taoist teachings encourage letting go of ego and aligning with the greater rhythms of existence.

Which is wise?

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The absolute is beyond the dualism of being and nonbeing. Therefore, language, which depends on contrasts, fails. The absolute is unchanging. The unchanging character of mathematical truths reflect it.

That which is unchanging does not evolve. That which evolves always becomes and therefore never is. Such is the phenomenal world. It is a reflection of the infinite absolute in the finite mind.

Wisdom is to recognize that this is what you are and live accordingly.

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Two steps:

1. Recognising that this is what you are.
2. Living accordingly.
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Two steps to the not two.

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Duality/opposites… meh!

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The absolute as being defined as individual would have to be outside or beyond dualism because it is not absolute if it is also dual, yet a coin has two sides or aspects to it yet it is still a one thing, interestingly enough. 1 turns to 2, then 2 to 4 and so on. How can an absolute such as 1, multiply by itself into an infinity if it is supposed to be individual? How can it be unchanging when 1 is not 2, yet leads to 2 and onto/into a complex infinity all by itself? How could 2 be without 1 if 1 changes into 2 but then 1 never is after this change, 1 would have to still exist and always be if there is a 2 otherwise there is no chain.

We can observe this without language as well. A single acorn may grown into a complex organism that has multiplicity all over it. A one tree by its root system can become an entire forest, which starts off as a single acorn and links itself to other acorns/trees underground, all things do this without any human observation or language in attempt at understanding it because we exist after and may verify what has been and is here before us and our consciousness.

So I am a bit confused on if you are saying they are both linked paradoxically or not?

How can an absolute not change when change is one of the very laws of reality and is ultimately inevitable for all things?

Even in biblical terms they mention it began with one “word”, is this the same concept here in different terminology without the mention of god but instead mention of math and physical manifestations?

Or are you saying that language is flawed and there is no absolute, only infinity? Yet things begin as a 1. I began as a 1 sperm cell, merging with an egg, now I am a giant clump of many cells. What a confusing issue this is if one or the other don’t exist in play of the other…

Now the question is, how many cells before me did it take to bring my one sperm cell to also be many cells, over 200,000 years of cells, longer than that if you count from before human consciousness. That number is impossible to count and could be safe to even say it could be an infinite since humanity nor I, am not extinct yet. Then you also have to take into account, the many unconscious variables stemming from an absolute source leading to a single cell forming in the first place, which that cell then also multiplied into more biological life.

For real… lmao, this kind of stuff makes my head explode, similarly to how I view both free will and determinism playing off of each other… (Compatibilism)

it has been given the name of Abraxas as well. The faceless yet many faced deity. Carl Jung wrote on it and so have many others, there is even the album named after it by Santana. I do not disagree with you on the point of wisdom though. I just find it interesting how it appears to be a paradoxical concept/idea within a one thing but also in all things, as data presenting itself to be understood.

The absolute precedes apriori categories like time, space, causality, and quantity. These are structures of the finite mind through which everything immediately appears. The result is nature —that ever-changing evolving multiplicity which apparently embodies being.

Yea… coz the only thing that is set in stone, is stone.

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If the mind is truly finite, how is it simultaneously attached to the infinite and also in itself able to grasp the concept of infinity itself. Grasping absolutes is easy, but an infinite as a concept, how?

We extrapolate from the finite. The word infinite literally means not finite. We intuit what is from what is not…the unlimited from the limited… what we can’t see in the starry night sky from the vastness that we can see.

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True wisdom is absolute and infinite, yes.

Because it is based on logic and pure principles, directly. That which cannot be refuted. Like 1+1.