"It" is in the Language

A tree will grow, apex, decay, fall, and then rot.

A rock will roll down a hill during an avalance.

A moon will rotate around a planet.

The English term “Will” is pervasive, prolific, and demonstrates how pervasive the Abrahamic / Christian perspective is, to presume that inorganic, innate & elemental Material (Matter) has a “Will”, and therefore an Intention. This has become clear over the debates about Determinism and Free-Will during the last year or two on ILP. The false presumption, is that inorganic and non-living matter must “act as-if” it were a living thing. And this would be its “Motivation” in the physical sense of its Momentum. I recently made two threads about this: Biomorphic Fallacy and Deterministic Fallacy, demonstrating the irrationality, confusion, and illogic of these presumptions. People need to rewind, back to our great European ancestor Isaac Newton. Matter and Energy are both conserved (as the same thing, same phenomenon), neither are Created nor Destroyed, and so this applies directly to the Physics of Causality.

Things can only have “Causes” insofar as they are part of greater “Processes”. This means, there is no perfect Vacuum nor Absolution. There is never a perfect ‘section’ or isolation of Movements or Motion. Thus Mankind’s notion of Causality is always Artificial and Derivative, of a greater context, greater process, and greater interaction of matter and energy. Thus the “It will” of a rock, is not referring to the rock as a “causal agent”, but as an approximation on behalf of the Subject. It’s you determining the process of causality, and nothing inherent in the rock, nothing inherent in any other matter (even Celestial objects), and even nothing inherent in other life forms. Rather these approximations are Ideological, and bent toward the Motive of its origin (You). Most of humanity does not have a sufficient enough degree of Self-Conscious, to become aware of his / her own Bias in this regard. Thus the ‘Agency’ is abstracted, out of oneself, and onto some notion of Divinity or Prime Mover (God / Determinism).

I’ll be brief about this post, because it is over-crowded with philosophical content, that I cannot justify within a few sentences or paragraphs, but would take a series of books to explain fully enough to make “common” sense. I’ll just leave it for now for those who are philosophically enough adept to break it down and apply it throughout the course of Western Civilization, Art, Culture, Physics, Math, Science, etc.

Another point, replace “Will” with “Is going to”, in the first few examples.

A tree is going to grow, apex, decay, fall, and then rot.

A rock is going to roll down a hill during an avalance.

A moon is going to rotate around a planet.

Consider this distinction, the object “is going to” (moving toward) a destination, in “the future”. This is a subsection of Determinism and Deterministic belief / faith. People have presumptions about Causality, which can be deeply flawed, and therefore, deeply manipulated. And it is manipulated, hence the demand / desire / need for Monotheistic faiths, along with their Mono-origin Universalism. That for example…all must come from a Prime Mover, All is Created, All is Determined, All is Caused, or the secular (per)version of “The Big Bang” which begins with the same premise, and ends with the same conclusion—that inorganic and innate matter “must have conscious perception” as the basis of its Existence.

This is false. Essence comes after Existence, not before, not reversed in order. Body before Mind. Body is the foundation of the Mind.

Quick observation:

The “Causal Approximation” of the subject, ‘determining’ a cause in nature, of a recognized pattern, is a reflection of the quality of that mind. This is how Consciousness works as a process, beginning with inherited Senses. This process is called “Cognition / Cognito”, and is the essence of Thought, and what it means “to think”. Because the thought-process is actually a pattern-recognition process, intertwined with the ability to abstract reality into ideas, meaning that Mankind gains the power to manipulate natural patterns / processes to his own Design, hence Artifice.

Other animals do this too, primarily with their biological instincts, which are instructions suited to increase their survival chances within specific environments. The environment is eventually cultivated to a particular organism, or group of genes (Species). The degree of this manipulation, is called an organism or specie’s “Intelligence”.

This is what Mankind calls its “Willpower”, and hence, its Freedom.

What if the universe is eternal (began complete) (transtemporally complete before it temporally ends)? …then it’s kind of like a body that can be outlived/resurrected and preceded by a mind, if the mind has no beginning/end.

It would be rather like an embodied concept.

NOPE!!

Next!

so it’s eternal

Not in the way you mean it… NO beginning, NO end. You may translate it to “beyond knowing”.

How do you know that?

When did I ever said I do know it? I only know what it is NOT.

And how do you know that?

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Process of elimination, Self =/= Other.

We are NOT equal.

we?

What set are we both members of?

Saying a rock will roll down a hill isn’t making any kind of statement about the rock having intentionality or being alive. I mean really… does one need to try to be this dense? It’s hard to imagine it just happening by accident.

Will means Intentionality.

I’d tell you to read a dictionary, maybe engage in a conversation with humans, but I know either would be asking too much.

“We” meaning “You and I, in this specific context”.

“In the beginning was the Word/Logos, and the Word/Logos was with God, and the Word/Logos was God. … Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”

The coeternal story/unfolding (intentional) born (in existence) whole.

Overwriting like a gangsta is futile…what you write, for better or worse, can and will (it has been written) be turned back to good.

Underwriting, or coauthoring will be and has been provided for you.

Yeah, I get too much human conversation just talking to myself as it is.

Is that supposed to convince me?

Are you even capable of reading what I write?

Why am I even asking—is this a rhetorical question?

  1. Of what?

  2. Yes. However… it is the middle of the night.

  3. Disregard?

I’m going back to sleep. If possible.

NO beginning. NO end. Take your Bible, and shovel it.

So you are legit incapable of understanding the most basic fact that words can have more than one meaning and use, context-dependent? Yikes.

I don’t say this to be mean or anything but you are actually one of the stupidest people I have ever encountered. No offense of course. Take that as you will (lol) and I hope you will (lol) manage to improve yourself in the future.

So if I were to open a dictionary and look up the word “will” the only definition I will (lol) find in there is “intentionality”? Oh really.

I’m not even going to bother doing it just to prove you wrong, since you and me and everyone else already knows you are wrong.