January 6th hearings

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Anything to distract from O’Biden’s treason and super massive failures concerning every issue across the world - couldn’t be more embarrassing (except perhaps with Harris at the helm).

Mr Pompeo might run in 2024 - he would be really great as a US president. Mr Desantis would be great too. The “republicans” (constitutionalists) have a healthy list of potential great candidates.

The lefty globalist commies have no one – so trying to defame Mr Trump and all republicans is their only desperate hope (too little too late).

It seems certain they are going to have to create yet another crises and catastrophe in order to attempt more global hegemony – possibly a military war within the US – anything for more cowardly power over everything.

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obsrvr524:
Anything to distract from O’Biden’s treason and super massive failures concerning every issue across the world - couldn’t be more embarrassing (except perhaps with Harris at the helm).

K: actually, it is as usual, democrats cleaning up the GOP mess…
for example, the IQ45 years had the third largest increase in the
national debt… the debt increased by almost $7.8 billion dollars under
the IQ45 years… under the Biden years, we have reduced the national debt
by over 700 million dollars… and with more savings in the debt to come,
by roughly $1 trillion dollars by the end of the current administration…

this administration is cleaning up the IQ45 total collapse of the economy…
for example, over 20 million people became unemployed in about a year from
the ‘‘TRUMP Recession’’. The single worst economic crisis to hit
America since the “The Great Depression” since the 1930’s…
in fact, today the unemployment rate is 3.9%, the
unemployment rate in 2020 was 15%…there were the greatest
job loss since Hoover… over 4 years of his presidency, the net
loss of jobs equals 3 millions… in other words, his presidency
had the greatest job loss in modern history… which is also
indicated by the fact that the beginning of the job losses
was in Feb 2019, a solid year before the pandemic…in that
Feb, the total job losses were 50,000 jobs, lost in that month

and I notice that we don’t have massive marches in the streets
that we during the IQ45 years… the IQ45 year of
discontentment, street marches, since 1968…

and as far as covid deaths go, we have reduced its effects…
whereas IQ45 directly caused the deaths of over 500,000
American’s…

by every measure including inflation, which began under the
IQ45 years…recall that I work in a grocery store, and prices
started to rise during the ‘‘Trump Pandemic’’ and the historical
supply chain issues we see today began in 2020…the IQ45 years…

so in reality, every issue we see today began during the IQ45 years…
and thus I say, correctly, that once again, democrats are cleaning
up the Republicans mess… and as anyone knows, cleaning up takes
longer than making the mess…

I am ignoring the rest of this post as it is more
insane ramblings of clueless person…

Kropotkin

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I’ll not pretend I like Biden/Harris. But aside from the good they are doing, it’s pretty much business as usual, and that is an embarrassment to your country, sorry.
But you are just making a fool of yourself if you think things were any better under Trump.

It is desperately sad to see people repeat idiotic and meaningless phrases like “lefty globalist commies”. DO you really think that phrase has any meaning?
You poor, poor thing.
Why not try to be a little bot more discretionary in your viewing?

It is your sort of childish hysteria that leads to violence…
What do you make of this?

youtube.com/watch?v=Nt7EIuRUHV8

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Food and Gas prices are up 150% from a year ago and retards call this “good”.

The Biden and Democrat establishment is a complete failure, and will be removed from office this year in the Midterms, good riddance.

Trump 2024 here we come!

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nytimes.com/2022/06/20/opin … ittee.html

[b]'To indict Mr. Trump for these and other acts, Mr. Garland must make three decisions, each more difficult than the previous, and none of which has an obvious answer.

'First, he must determine whether the decision to indict Mr. Trump is his to make. If Mr. Garland decides that a criminal investigation of Mr. Trump is warranted, Justice Department regulations require him to appoint a special counsel if the investigation presents a conflict of interest for the department and if Mr. Garland believes such an appointment would be in the public interest.

‘The department arguably faces a conflict of interest. Mr. Trump is a political adversary of Mr. Garland’s boss, President Biden. Mr. Trump is also Mr. Biden’s likeliest political opponent in the 2024 presidential election. Mr. Garland’s judgments impact the political fate of Mr. Biden and his own possible tenure in office. The appearance of a conflict sharpened when Mr. Biden reportedly told his inner circle that Mr. Trump was a threat to democracy and should be prosecuted, and complained about Mr. Garland’s dawdling on the matter.’[/b]

Special council works for me.

[b]'If Mr. Garland opens a Trump investigation and keeps the case — decisions he might already have made — the second issue is whether he has adequate evidence to indict Mr. Trump. The basic question here is whether, in the words of Justice Department guidelines, Mr. Trump’s acts constitute a federal offense and “the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction.”

'These will be hard conclusions for Mr. Garland to reach. He would have to believe that the department could probably convince a unanimous jury that Mr. Trump committed crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. Mr. Garland cannot rest this judgment on the Jan. 6 committee’s one-sided factual recitations or legal contentions. Nor can he put much stock in a ruling by a federal judge who, in a civil subpoena dispute — a process that requires a significantly lower standard of proof to prevail than in a criminal trial — concluded that Mr. Trump (who was not represented) “more likely than not” committed a crime related to Jan. 6.

‘Instead, Mr. Garland must assess how any charges against Mr. Trump would fare in an adversarial criminal proceeding administered by an independent judge, where Mr. Trump’s lawyers will contest the government’s factual and legal contentions, tell his side of events, raise many defenses and appeal every important adverse legal decision to the Supreme Court.’[/b]

All televised with any luck!

‘If Mr. Garland concludes that Mr. Trump has committed convictable crimes, he would face the third and hardest decision: whether the national interest would be served by prosecuting Mr. Trump. This is not a question that lawyerly analysis alone can resolve. It is a judgment call about the nature, and fate, of our democracy.’

Back to those “deep state” power brokers behind the curtains above?

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K: as I noted prices started to rise during the IQ45,
as did the supply chain issues… and still cleaning up IQ45
mess… the ‘‘Trump recession’’ for example

Kropotkin

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they’re live again. day 4.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KakS8YmwTc[/youtube]

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3+ hours long :astonished:

Any noteworthy hi-lights to note, Mr R?

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some of it is probably just breaks and the first chunk they’re just preparing to start.

basically it’s a bunch of people giving firsthand testimony that refutes the things that urwrong has been tricked into believing. i’d watch the arizona secretary of state’s testimony, (a lifelong republican and right winger), and the testimony of the georgia poll worker, (the black lady).

it’s notable that the majority of the witnesses here are republicans, and that ties back into what i said about what a RINO is. they’re republicans, until they disagree with or fail to show fealty to trump, and then they become “republicans in name only”, no matter how they vote of what policies they support.

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whatever is it that you’ve seen, heard, read, or discussed about what the plan was for that day…you can get it straight from the people who have conducted the investigations, who have distilled the demonstrable facts, and who are speaking with firsthand witnesses here. there hasn’t ever been an event in the history of US democracy of this magnitude, and these hearings offer a straightforward and evidence based view of what is actually known, rather than speculated to be, and of what is actually evidenced. you may find it to be quite compelling.

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Thomas B. Edsall at the NYT

[b]'Whether he is out of power or in office, Donald Trump deploys conspiracy theory as a political mobilizing tool designed to capture anger at the liberal establishment, to legitimize racial resentment and to unite voters who feel oppressed by what they see as a dominant socially progressive culture.

The success of this strategy is demonstrated by the astonishing number of Republicans — a decisive majority, according to a recent Economist/YouGov survey — who say that they believe that the Democratic Party and its elected officials conspired to steal the 2020 election. This is a certifiable conspiracy theory, defined as a belief in “a secret arrangement by a group of powerful people to usurp political or economic power, violate established rights, hoard vital secrets, or unlawfully alter government institutions.”'[/b]

This is the part that makes indicting Trump particularly tricky. Whether that happens before the November Congressional election or after that but before the 2024 presidential election, Trump’s white working-class base could easily be riled up to take the country right over the edge into something analogous to fascism right here in America. Depending on other factors like the economy, social unrest, crime, and another covid resurgence.

And it certainly would be used to “get out the vote”. The right-wing equivalent of the abortion issue?

So, the left wins the battle…but loses the war?

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I doubt this statement.
Not even the Amoronicans are that stupid surely.
Surely Murdoch’s media is not so powerful to be able to pull off such a nonsensical lie.

Can you back this up?

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Nope, I can’t back up much of anything here. All I can speculate about is this: what if it is true that they believe it?

Is the left willing to roll the dice on an indictment?

This is over the top, sure, but what if the left in Nazi Germany had succeeded in indicting Adolph Hitler back then? Would that have ended his influence…or speeded it up all the more?

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From PN:

Or…

Think of the dire consequences of both a MAGA Congress and a MAGA White House. Meaning an even more reactionary cast among the Supremes.

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From PN:

Then back to this:

“…what if the left in Nazi Germany had succeeded in throwing Adolph Hitler in jail back then? Would that have ended his influence…or speeded it up all the more?”

Just out of curiosity, are you an American citizen? I mean, if the left rolls the dice and we do end up with “sieg heil!” this and “sieg heil!” that, you’ll be here with the rest of us bearing the brunt of the consequences, right?

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I’m pretty sure I already answered this one.
I suppose it got lost in the ether…

But what I said was that They (not the left but the police) did throw Hitler in gaol. That is where he wrote Mein Kampf., but he was a man with an IQ more than 45, he was young and still had his political career ahead of him…
For Trump it would be different. he’d probably spend the rest of his life trying to stay out of gaol on endless appeals. It would be the effective end of his elective career. Americans like a winner they hate losers.
I’m pretty sure that having serious criminals charges against him would preclude standing for office - it would in most other countries.
Yes I am an American citizen but do not live there, and never will.

I do not think that Trump has a political future whether or not he is convicted, but America itself will not have a political future if the US fucks this up by letting him off the hook.

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day 5

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vj7FJwF35M[/youtube]

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I can’t believe all you retards waste your time with this garbage.

Doesn’t matter, Democrats will lose Congress this year, Biden is a disaster, Trump wins 2024 in a landslide… then the time for Revenge comes.

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you know what i can believe? that you can’t watch these because these are the hearings that disprove all the lies that you’ve been sucking out of trumps cock