Jesus Christ was originally a sun-god

[phrygianslave_the_wi (phrygianslave the wise)]

It was not until the second century, or until after the days of
Justin Martyr, that the instrument upon which Jesus was executed
was called a cross. But whatever may have been its form, as soon
as the myths of former religious worship began to attach
themselves to his history, he became the symbolical dead man on a
cross, the original sacrifice to Mahadeva. He portrayed the same
idea as did Crishna, Ballaji, the dying Osiris, and all the other
sun-gods. He, like each of these, represented a new sun at the
beginning of a new cycle. He was a risen savior, and to him were
finally transferred all the festivals, seasons, symbols, and
monograms of former solar deities. That the figure of a dead man
on a cross was a familiar emblem throughout Asia and various
portions of Europe, and that numberless crucified
gods–incarnations of the sun–have been worshipped throughout
the East, is a fact which it has been the aim of the initiated
among the Christian clergy to conceal, but one which no one who
has examined the evidence with a mind free from prejudice
attempts to deny.

Eliza Burt Gamble

Interesting. . .

[Pax_Vitae]

You should read some of Joseph Campbell’s works. He looks at world religions and the reoccurring themes that are shared by all. The stories and motifs ascribed to Jesus have also been ascribed to other religious figures from before his time.

[Future_Man]

christian mythology, does anybody really believe it?

@crazy internet dude

The Jesus story, however, was not original. The entire story was plagiarized in bits and pieces, and sometimes blatantly intact, from ancient god/man mythology passed down by Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and Persian cultures.

For example the Persian sun-god Mithra, a story dating back to about 1400 BC, talks about a hero born of a virgin in a stable on the winter solstice. He was attended by shepherds who brought gifts. He was said to have taken a last supper with his followers before returning to his father, the god of all. Mithra was believed not to have died, but ascended directly to heaven. Followers believed he would return at the end of time to raise the dead in a physical resurrection, for a final judgment. At that time, the world would be destroyed by fire. And yes, followers of Mithra were granted immortal life following baptism.

A book titled The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ by an author who identifies herself only as Acharya S, notes many other amazing similarities between Christianity and pre-Christian mythology.

Acharya states that Buddha also was born of a virgin, he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water and fed 500 men from a small basket of cakes. The Buddha was transfigured on a mount, was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered three days in hell and was resurrected. After this he ascended to heaven, or Nirvana. Writings refer to Buddha as the “Good Shepherd,” the “carpenter” and “Savior of the World.”

The Egyptian god figure Horus was said to have been born of the virgin Isis on December 25. He was born in a cave, his birth was announced by a star in the East, and he was attended by three wise men. He was a child teacher in the temple. He was baptized by Anup the Baptizer (John the Baptist?), he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, walked on water, and raised a man named El-Azar-us from the dead. Horus also was transfigured on a mount, was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected. He was called a “fisher,” and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish.

In India, the god/man Krishna was born of a virgin, his father was a carpenter, his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and they brought presents of gold, frankincense and myrrh. There was a ruler who attempted to destroy the infant by ordering the slaughter of thousands of babies. Krishna worked miracles and wonders, raised the dead, healed lepers, the deaf and the blind. He used parables to teach people about charity and love. He was transfigured in front of his disciples. Some stories say Krishna died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves. He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.

It is said that Constantine, who advanced the cause of Christianity by making it the official religion throughout Europe, originally followed the Mithraic cult before his conversion. The Vatican is filled with relics linking not only these two figures, but others as well.

In her book Acharya states that stored in the catacombs of the Vatican are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original “Madonna and Child.” She writes: "the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra who shares many qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus character was formalized.

The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced. Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions.

[aspacia]

@Pax Vitae

You should read some of Joseph Campbell’s works. He looks at world religions and the reoccurring themes that are shared by all. The stories and motifs ascribed to Jesus have also been ascribed to other religious figures from before his time.

I love the PBS series regarding Joseph Campbell! The Hero’s Journey is a staple in many English Lit. classes.

[Pax_Vitae]

I love the PBS series regarding Joseph Campbell! The Hero’s Journey is a staple in many English Lit. classes.

I’ve just finished watching them on sunday, found them on the web!

[phrygianslave_the_wi (phrygianslave the wise)]

There again. . .

During the nineteen hundred years that have elapsed since the
inauguration of this system, little has been understood
concerning the real philosophy of Christ–a philosophy which is
seen to be simply a recognition of those higher scientific truths
enunciated by an ancient race.

The fact is observed in these later times that the altruistic
principles involved in these teachings contain the highest
wisdom–that they form the basis of a true social science, and
that a high stage of civilization will never be reached until
these principles are recognized as the foundation of human
conduct Unselfishness, purity of life, and the brotherhood of man
will never be realized so long as man shifts the responsibility
of his wrong-doing upon another.

Eliza Burt Gamble

Is it all a matter of interpretation?

[aspacia]

Ah, yes a very wise man who stated that he came not to bring peace but the sword, check Mathew 10:34.

You might want to read the writing from Nag Hamandi. They depict a egalitarian, feminist man instead of the patriarchical figure individuals read about in the Bible. These writings were written by first century Christians who may have had contact with Jesus and probably did have contact with the disciples. These texts reveal a fair minded, just individual who rebelled against the corrupt Pharisees.

[Americano]

Jesus is good.

History is a funny thing.

Most evidence regaurding theology, archeology and history is simply not known to the general public yet.

Although the Vatican could be considered corrupt and baised by outside critics, it actually has some of the most solid documentation of evidence and history ever known anywhere, even by todays standards.

Cults and copy cat religions were everywhere, so it shouldnt be too suprising that some sprang up from judeo-pre-christian prophesys about things to come in the future regaurding The life and validity of Jesus.

[Bob]

Hi phrygianslave the wise,

It was not until the second century, or until after the days of
Justin Martyr, that the instrument upon which Jesus was executed
was called a cross.

The word for cross is stauros, which means a cross. It is the word for cross in Paul’s 1 Cor. 1:17-19: “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but—to proclaim good news; not in wisdom of discourse, that the cross of the Christ may not be made of none effect; for the word of the cross to those indeed perishing is foolishness, and to us—those being saved—it is the power of God, for it hath been written, ‘I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will bring to nought;’ where is the wise? where the scribe? where a disputer of this age? did not God make foolish the wisdom of this world?”

Paul was dead before the second century.

Shalom
Bob

[phrygianslave_the_wi (phrygianslave the wise)]

Hi Bob!

Hope you’re well.

I’m going to check this out.

I’ll get back to you!

Peter

[phrygianslave_the_wi (phrygianslave the wise)]

Hi Bob!

Sorry, I forgot to get back to you!

I’d said, (quoted,)

<<It was not until the second century, or until after the days of
Justin Martyr, that the instrument upon which Jesus was executed
was called a cross.>>

You said,

<<The word for cross is stauros, which means a cross. It is the word for cross in Paul’s 1 Cor. 1:17-19: “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but—to proclaim good news; not in wisdom of discourse, that the cross of the Christ may not be made of none effect; for the word of the cross to those indeed perishing is foolishness, and to us—those being saved—it is the power of God, for it hath been written, ‘I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will bring to nought;’ where is the wise? where the scribe? where a disputer of this age? did not God make foolish the wisdom of this world?”

Paul was dead before the second century.>>

Now looking through my Greek-English lexicon I find the following:

stauros (istemi) an upright pale, stake or pole; in plur. A palisade. II. the Cross.

And then checking, istemi, I find that the gist of the meaning centres round this group of words: to stand; to place; to set; to fix; to make fast; to set upright; to raise up; to stand upright; and so on.

I would say that Jesus was set up, raised up, made fast, and to an upright stake, perhaps the trunk of a tree, and that’s what Paul was saying, but then later writers, ‘embellished,’ matters by calling a tree, or a pole, or a paling, a cross.

In your quote from Paul above might not one substitute, ‘the crucifixion,’ for, ‘the cross?’

staurosis means crucixion as well as a palisading

I could get into this Bob, but I don’t want to. Whatever, I don’t think things are perhaps as clear-cut as they might seem.

Peter

[aspacia]

@Americano

Most evidence regaurding theology, archeology and history is simply not known to the general public yet.

Yes, probably true.

Although the Vatican could be considered corrupt and baised by outside critics, it actually has some of the most solid documentation of evidence and history ever known anywhere, even by todays standards.

Cults and copy cat religions were everywhere, so it shouldnt be too suprising that some sprang up from judeo-pre-christian prophesys about things to come in the future regaurding The life and validity of Jesus.

Actually, the writing found at Nag Hamandi date to the first centure c.e. They provide a different perspective regarding Jesus. I have often wondered why certain texts did not make it into the Bible. Could it be that perhaps, the religious patriarchs wanted to maintain control over the masses, especially women.

[phrygianslave_the_wi (phrygianslave the wise)]

aspacia

<<Could it be that perhaps, the religious patriarchs wanted to maintain control over the masses, especially women.>>

Yes, it could well be!

Especially since the earliest god(s) were female!

Peter

[Sagesound]

After watching 5 minutes (probably less than that) of The 700 Club, I’d rather drop back to Babylonian religious rites and worship Marduk…

[yuxia]

some religiousions would say that the recurring theme implies it must be true. Noticing things like this says nothing to truth of the alleged events.

[phrygianslave_the_wi (phrygianslave the wise)]

Sagesound

Please enlighten me: what is ‘The 700 Club?’

Pete

[Sagesound]

@phrygianslave the wise

Sagesound

Please enlighten me: what is ‘The 700 Club?’

Pete

Hmm…go back to the Religion forum and open a thread called “Want to be disgusted?” Your answer lies within…

[aspacia]

@phrygianslave the wise

Sagesound

Please enlighten me: what is ‘The 700 Club?’

Pete

Evangelical Christians who distort religous texts to gain power, prestige, and more importantly $.