It is here because this is a political commentary
not a religious one.
Communism is a leftist ideology
as IMP and scyth are so quick to point out.
communism believes in equality in economics
(recall that communism is a economic theory,
not a political theory)communism is also based
upon the common ownership of the means of
production and the absence of any forms of
private property, thus no such beasty as
bill gates or warren buffet.
From the bible, the new testament book,
(the new testament is the story of jesus)
Acts of the apostles at chapter 2, verses 42, 44 and 45.
And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine
and in fellowship… 44. and all that believed were together,
and had all things in common; 45. And sold their possessions
and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man
had need. (KJV)
also in acts 4:32-37
And the multitude of them that believed were of one
heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought
of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all
things common. 33. and with great power gave the
apostles witness of the resurrection of the lord jesus: and an
great grace was upon them all. 34. Neither was there any
among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors
of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the
things that were sold. 35. and laid them down at the apostles
feet: and distribution was made UNTO EVERY MAN ACCORDING
AS HE HAD NEED. (emphasis mine)… 37. having land, sold
it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles feet".
in the gospel of luke 1: 52-53
52. He hath put down the might from their seats and exalted them
of low degree. 53. He hath filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich he hath sent empty away.
and matthew 19:16-24
and, behold, one came and said unto him, “Good master
what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life”
(17-18-19 are simply a repeat of the ten commandments, thou shall
not steal, etc etc,) 20. The young man saith unto him, all of
these things I have kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
that thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me. 22. But when the young man
heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had
great possessions. 23. Then said jesus unto his disciples, verily
I say unto you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom
of heaven. 24. and again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel
to go through the eye of a needle, then for a rich man to enter
the kingdom of god.
All of which point out that those who proclaim
liberal is a mental illness, jesus was clearly a liberal.
His second most important commandment was after this
mark 12:29
…“The lord our god, is one lord”…
and the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy
neighbour as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than
these.
I don’t recall Adam smith in his definitive work on capitalism
saying anything about “loving thy neighbour”
But marx is clearly about “loving thy neighbour” if
he makes equality between people as his point
about communism.
So jesus is a communist as we define it today
and that is the political word for today.
i agree with you, jesus was a idealist, he lived for another world, one that i well never reach in my life time. why does this make it ok to make thousands suffer in the name of equality? and far more important, what are you trying to say by posting this thread peter?
No, the Jews have communist setups that work very well. Qatar has a very socialist system built on a muslim/royal system which sounds great. Costa Rica has a Christian Socialist system.
Don’t be afraid to realise that you are a capitalist slave.
Peter incorrectly–primarily because of where he gets his news–equates opposition to his views to Christian conservatism.
What is most humorous about Peter’s mistake is that most of those on this site who most vehemently oppose his views are neither Christian nor conservative, as he defines the term. Phaedrus, Imp (I believe) and myself are all self-proclaimed Libertarians, and Faust is hardly a model for the modern conservative thought.
Those like Peter help us understand why the Democrats have difficulty regaining a foothold in Washington. First of all, too many of them see the world as they would like it to be, rather than how it is. Secondly, they seldom provide acceptable alternatives to important issues and weak Republican candidates. And lastly, they intentionally alienate, as Peter is constantly doing, those who do not, strictly speaking, agree with the Republican agenda.
Add all this up, and you see why the third parties remove votes from the Democrats. The Party, and its members, simply do not understand how the world functions.
GliderPendalehaven:i agree with you, jesus was a idealist, he lived for another world, one that i well never reach in my life time. why does this make it ok to make thousands suffer in the name of equality? and far more important, what are you trying to say by posting this thread peter?
K: As my post make quite clear, I have no interest in
“another world”, but I am interested in equality. And that
is my interest in this thread. I believe that everyone
deserves the opportunity to make something of themselves.
A level playing field as it were. What I see is this,
you got a one hundred yard dash, and you see some people
like bush jr, getting massive head starts in that dash and
you see many others (poor, minorities, disenfranchised)
having to start quite a bit beyond the starting, so in reality
they have to go 200 yards to complete the course.
Those with massive head starts claim they are superior
because they can finish the race faster (I.E. get more wealth)
but they have their claims only because they were given
a head start. I want a level playing field that means
everyone has the same starting line (I.E similar schools,
similar education, similar chances to make it) As it is,
we don’t give a large percentage of people even a chance
to compete and idiots like bush get a head start. What people
do at the starting line is their problem, but I would like
everyone to get equal chance to compete and we don’t have
that right now.
And that is my interest in this thread but it really doesn’t matter
why I posted, but that I did.
GliderPendalehaven: i agree with you, jesus was a idealist, he lived for another world, one that i well never reach in my life time. why does this make it ok to make thousands suffer in the name of equality? and far more important, what are you trying to say by posting this thread peter?"
YO: Peter incorrectly–primarily because of where he gets his news–equates opposition to his views to Christian conservatism.
What is most humorous about Peter’s mistake is that most of those on this site who most vehemently oppose his views are neither Christian nor conservative, as he defines the term. Phaedrus, Imp (I believe) and myself are all self-proclaimed Libertarians, and Faust is hardly a model for the modern conservative thought.
Those like Peter help us understand why the Democrats have difficulty regaining a foothold in Washington. First of all, too many of them see the world as they would like it to be, rather than how it is. Secondly, they seldom provide acceptable alternatives to important issues and weak Republican candidates. And lastly, they intentionally alienate, as Peter is constantly doing, those who do not, strictly speaking, agree with the Republican agenda.
Add all this up, and you see why the third parties remove votes from the Democrats. The Party, and its members, simply do not understand how the world functions.
K: I explained to gilder why I posted what I posted. It is not
a strict GOP vs DEMOS post. It goes to a larger overall theme.
And that theme as I stated is equality. As for your analysis,
I expected more from you yopele. My post is not about the
current election. It is not about the issues and if it alienates ’
you, I suggest you need to examine that issue on your own.
My post as I make clear is not about the religious, it is about
the larger political issues we face. The thought that I am
most bothered by is your suggestion that “we do not understand
the world” In fact, we do, what we are doing is trying to make
it better. To simply accept the world as is and move through it
is not my intention. I have a child and I want my child to have
a better world then the one I had. I want future generations
to have a better oppertunity then the one we had. Oh, I understand
the world quite well, but I want a better world (now granted
the word “better” is subjective) but I will fight tooth and nail
to give my children a better world. I am extremely realistic
about what can be accomplished and have no illusions
as to what can be done, but that doesn’t mean I will give up.
If I can make the world a slightly better place, then
my battle won’t be in vain.
Excuse me, but Marx was a Jew, and Jews have communities in Israel that are communist, and it’s part of their relgion. I can certainlt tell what your values are if you believe that I’m blaming them for such a noble idea.
not ture, that’s what comunism is, another world full of make believe and fiction. were everyone works for each other and every thing is equil and no one wants to kill others simply for the others belief, because everone excepts the other
yey, feelings. feeds villages that does.
its called working hard. ok so i have a little idealism
so what your saying is that you want nothing of what i have worked for passed on to my child, that regardless of how hard i work to make it so her life is easier you want to take it all away from her so that you can feel better about yourself?
not true, if i do something bad sometimes it matters why i did something, not that i just did it.
There’s plenty of examples of groups of people that basically get along with few differences in status and that place a large premium on sharing.
The tendency to believe this impossible stems from European culture and its focus on the achievment of personal fame. This tradition stretches back all of the way back to a time before money even existed.
Don’t get stuck thinking that the way that you see things is the only way they can be
I agree with you Pete, I realized this a long time ago actually whilst studying communism in a history class. Jesus was all about communism. In every idealistic way communism has ever been viewed.
This is why I find extreme right-wing capitalist Christians to be somewhat of a living paradox.
They come mostly from English Christians that take the idea that whatever happens happens because god wanted it to, like Spinoza, and so if you get rich, then it’s because he planned for you to. They managed to remove the example of Christ and return to a preChristian mindset.
My ideals sound somewhere in line with what Peter talks about. The thread is informative, but it wouldn’t be my way of supporting an ideal of my own. It serves as an historical account more than an argument for ideals. I think religious background sully an ideal rather than complement it.
I say: “The sky is blue.”
And then I say: “Jesus said the sky is blue.”
People say: “Is that your argument for why the sky is blue?”
I say: “Sorry. Actually nevermind. The sky is blue.”
