Jewish racism?

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They believed they were the Chosen People, selected by God and thus superior to other races and meant to be kept pure. But they were not superior due to anything within themselves, their race or blood, but because of God’s favor. The danger was more due to a fear of cultural impurity than genetic impurity. Nehemiah was concerned because he saw the fall of Solomon as tied with the foreign practices brought to him by his foreign wives.

Germans differ from this because although they considered their superiority as a consequence of their superior culture, their culture was, in their opinion, racially detrmined. But the commandment to impose the rule of the racially strong, the betters, over the racially weak and worse is perceived as dictated to them by the Eternal Will that rules the universe…a spiritual synonim to the God of the judeo-christian tradition. Thus God makes a cameo on both world views.

Both rejected that humanity is equal- that one people is as profane as the other or as sacred as the other. Each devised qualifications and then sanctified such qualifications as the will of God and differed in the method of delivery, for in the hebrew view this superiority was generated by revelation- God’s intervention in historical events, while for the germans their superiority was caused by God through genetic…manipulation…one might even say that like Christianity, they believed in that Law that God would one day place in the hearts of men. They did not need God to reveal to them that they were special but were born special. This also ties to the theology of Luther, who magnified the determination of the people, so that one was either born, predestined to be a christian or one was not. No choice in the matter.

I think that in both cases what one finds is arbitrary pursuits of power and also an escape, if not from freedom, then from chance. Both can be random and unpredictable and what humanity desires is order and predictability.Tribalism was one of these strategems. By tying their social identity to a Divine Will, obviously omnipotent, the social group was therefore also free from all limitations in pursuit of it’s particular desires. It had permission from the highest authority to do as it will and what it did was somehow tied to the good work of the Absolute Will, the Will of God, Creator of All that IS but on the side of this one people. God created all things but not all things are equal and God choses from the best.

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The other day I read an article in which a female called herself a " russian - born israeli". What the heck is that?

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It sounds like she either was born in Russia and moved to Israel and maybe has dual citizenship or the Russian Jews in Israel tend to call themselves something like that. Kind of like African-American?

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What for another instance be a Israeli-born Congolese.

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In the proper sense Israel is a nation, that is a people descended from a common mother, in this case Sara, and you can here it in the name Is sara al. Abraham was a hero of Juda, and the people of Israel, being a tribal religion follow the mother’s side. When we look at America the land, and call it a nation, it is an abuse of the language, and trust me, the English laugh at our ignorence on this point. Who, after all, would drive across the nation?

The Jews are not a race, and they pick up the genes where ever they live. One thing they are not, for the most part, is semetic. An anti semite hates Arabs. Only the Jew’s culture is semetic.

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It is curious concerning the link Jewish people have with God, they don’t promote the wonders He possesses. There almost seems to be an enclavel attitude in their association with Him. Sort of a reclusive repository of people. Yet, they are viewed by some as being dangerous entity with an inscrutable position in this world. A nation of people who are on numerous occasions nearly decimated.

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Are you talking about non-religious Jews? And if you aren’t, what the heck are you talking about?

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I am speaking of the people of the Jewish faith. They have such a strong link to God, but don’t tell of His wonderous power. I see programs on TV of various religious orders speaking of Gods’ Love, but have never seen one of a Jewish ceremony. There must be a precept that doesn’t allow for that type pronouncement like the Christians avow to. Not knowing how Jewish doctrine works, it is mostly speculation on my part. I am not speaking ill of the Jewish people, I’m just trying understand how their religion works.

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Not to be rude, but to understand, you should ask, not tell.

The Jewish people feel proselytizing is pointless. Non-Jews are meant to be non-Jews and Jews are meant to be Jews. There are a few converts that weren’t born Jewish because it was a struggle they needed to overcome.

As for the praise, did you know that we pray three times a day? The first prayer takes about an hour, the second around 15 minutes and the third about the same. Do you know what we open up those prayers with? Praise of god. There is very little room in them for personal needs.

Do you know what we do before we eat? Pray. A prescribed prayer of thanks. Before we eat ANYTHING. If you have a meal of chicken, water, rice and bread, you must a say a prayer to thank god before eating each one of them and acknowledge his greatness.

Do you know what we do when we immediately wake up? Say a prayer of god’s greatness.

Do you know what we do before sleeping? Say a prayer of god’s greatness.

We have a prayer for just about everything (and there is little exaggeration there) and each one opens “Blessed are you oh lord our creator, king of the universe.”

I’m pretty sure Jews acknowledge god’s greatness.

I’m getting tired of the people making claims about Judaism when they really have no idea. Though I am not religious, it seems unfair to lie about a group of people.

Do you see TV shows of Muslims promoting their faith? The love their god has? Not really, no. That must mean they don’t promote god’s love.

And, indeed, there is a group called Lubavitch (I suggest you look it up) who makes it their goal to do outreach work. Many people give up easy lives to try and help out Jews and non-Jews alike.

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Koifer, if you notice in my original reply I said it ‘almost seems’. That is not a strong point of assertion. It means ‘with all appearance’. Am I not allowed an observation? So far as to body of your post, ‘it seems’ we are not that far off on our views. I never questioned the Jewish people’s love for God. They appear to be quite orthdox in their devotion to God. Which I feel to be a good thing. As far as ‘praise’ being raised, I didn’t mention that in any context. As far as I can see, the Jewish people and Christians worship the same God. It’s just done from different viewpoints. My intent was to look for clarification, not confrontation. As a matter of fact a gentleman I admire very much that I have listed in the quote section below this post is an orthodox Jew…Dennis Prager. He has a radio show I listen to and I find his discussions to be enlightening and spiritually motivating. I agree with about 99% of what he has to say. The other 1% is neglible for all intents and purposes.

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Dizam yo.

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Isn’t it amazing? They are like 1.5% of our population. Talk about a flea walking the dog. Look at how many positions in government, communication, and business they control. Will they never get enough?

I think the word that best describes them is tangible justification. They know they are blessed because they do well, so to prove they are blessed they do well. It is not far different from the view held by many protestants, and I am not alone in noticing the u turn christianity took with Martin Luther; and the amazing thing is that he hated Jews.

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The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

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Capslock - The talmud forbids a Jewish state before the arrival of messiah. That’s why 99% of orthodox Jews oppose the state of israel (on top of the suffering of the Palestinians).

Litinen- I forgot about this thread. I was mostly wrong, but I will reply when I am not drunk. There was a wedding tonight!

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Mazal Tov

-Imp

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I don’t think you guys guess that formalities like the Talmud, or any old form of doing things are only as useful as they justify what you want to do. If the form does not work to justify what people want to do, they go over it, and do what they want to do. It does not take a chosen genius to figure God loves things the way they are, whatever they are. If you are blessed by success, it is all for the best.

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What does that mean? May your stars be favorable? Or what?

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Mazel tov is congratulations. Thanks Imp, but I’m not really that close to the couple.

Jugg - What are you talking about? I honestly can’t figure it out. It would be much easier to embrace the State of Israel for the Orthodox. The State has actually inflicted much harm on them because the oppose it. They’re not modifying the Talmud to what they want, it’s what they feel is necessary. I’m not even sure if that’s what you’re getting at though. I don’t get what you’re trying to attack.

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Give me the tractate that says that. Many things can be taken out of context and I will give the appropriate understanding of the issue. This is a blatant lie. Non-jews are not non-human.

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I’d like to tell the truth and not attack anyone. I will settle for a fair approximation of the truth as true to all people. We all have a law, a form, a talmud, etc. that we may have to get around occasionally to have what we want. What ever else God does, the God makes a blessing of reality. It is not that reality is bright, but that we make the best of it and improve upon it. Part of the Jewish method of survival is to think they are blessed by God. They are, not alone, blessed by God. I can’t speak for another time, but here God knows his master. God jumps through our triangles.