Judgment Day

Judgment Day

Why are we so obsessed with the judgment other minds have of us ? Why is judgment so important ? Why are we trapped in this 1 bit universe of any mind judging you badly and you suffering and “feeing bad” about it ? But most of all, why are we so obsessed of the judgment we have of ourselves ? Why can’t we just “suck” freely, and be a total piece of crap, wrong in everything, a total turd, with “no possible value whatsoever” ? Everything we do, even when we do it “for ourselves” is done in the background of some imaginary (or real, who knows ?) mind judging you and you feeling that you are achieving, that you are doing some good for a metaphysical imaginary world of minds and other minds constantly watching you and judging you, for some other minds judging you “good” (but those other minds can switch their judgment in a microsecond and even forget they judged you “good” before, but all minds suck hugely, I JUDGE ALL MINDS AS BEING A HUGE PIECE OF TURD, HOW’S THAT ?).

As if thought completely occupies all space and time and all metaphysical space, so thought is the only possible universe in itself, and thought is always judgment, but we can never really get out of thought, no matter how hard we try, but thought operates on constant measurement and judgment of other minds and any activity as being judgeable, and measurable by another (but it is always your own or no one’s mind, as the mind itself is just an abstract metaphysical construction that doesn’t exist and has no reality, except that of being a huge turd that I personally judge as a piece of crap).

It is as if only by being perceived by other minds we actually do exist, only by constantly being measured and compared do we exist. We compare ourselves to the past, what we did, how we were judged, by how we made a mistake and were judged badly, but the truth is we all suck hugely and made all of the mistakes possible, get over it, you will all go to hell, there is no hope whatsoever (refer to my talking about HELL analysis): we love and hate the dictatorship of judgments.

But kill judgments, hose them, tell them you are the boss and you judge everything, all else is non existent as you assign what exists and what doesn’t. As if there is some kind of metaphysical stage where all judgments are objective and reality is only one delimitation of space, where that judgment saturates all of reality like that monolithic slab that is thought. So who will dominate that space ? In all truth, everyone’s judgement is worth “zero”, is absolutely irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, which implies simply that everything is dead, a void, without meaning, judgments (and judgments necessary), or causes and effects, without any goals, pure nothingness, that is actually proud of itself since it doesn’t have anything to prove.

But we ourselves are judgments that subdivide into individual minds judging other minds all in our own mind (as in constantly judging ourselves and/or others, do we get confused ? is it one big cloud and blob ?). We are thought that then divides and multiplies itself in a never ending array of independent cross and reciprocal judgments of itself and others, maybe each mind representing some external minds judging, but then all minds are all in one metaphysical space that communicate with subtle clues between apparently independent minds, but are all one and the same. All searching for “affirmation”, all wanting to be “accepted” (or loved ?), but all of these minds suck hugely, they are all wrong, Metaphysics has judged them all as one huge turd and being completely dependent on a 1 bit universe of good and bad, when the real metaphysical universe is way past our puny minds, and our puny necessity for “affirmation”.

But maybe judgment is important only because a seperate free will can inflict physical pain on you, therefore be sure that it judges you “good”, otherwise pain (again the pain/pleasure circuit dominates ? so it is all upside down ? another infinite recursion of intractable - impossible problems?).

Now go on, judge me you ugly slobs, tell me I suck. Am I supposed “to feel bad” because of this ? Are you god ? or is the judgment of anyone an instance of god’s judgement, but especially you’re own judgment of yourself and others, the judgment and measuring and evaluation of you, yourself, or I or others or anything ? Judgment being the constant prison guard against your freedom to completely and totally suck. How I love the idea that god will tell you all that “you suck” when you die, and then he punishes you, so that judgment was the last.

What is the relationship between Free Will and Judgment ? Another infinite recursion of intractable - impossible metaphysical problems, free will means we want to force our judgment and force others to judge us as “worthy”, but we want their judgment to be free, but it is never like we want it and so on and so forth forever.

The illusion of “progress”, where we are always back to the same starting point even after a trillion years, pain/plesure, judgment of others and yourself of yourself, constant simple fight against yourself and others, man as a constant fight and simple constant pure contradiction, and you thought all that effort of thought and experiences added up, aggregated: no, there is no serialization of effort or results, only fights, struggles and loses, failures, and more loses and failures forever, ever more, you will lose all and everything forever, that is how god likes it, he plays chess against you and then he crushes you and hoses you, what a huge satisfaction he gets: and infinite pain forever but that is actually paradise and infinite pleasure.

We are the Constantly Losing Machine.

So go on now, little Joey and Cindy, copy and paste this for your homework, show mommy and the teacher, oh what is that ? another GOLD star ? Wow, are you kids doing great in school.

Now go out in the backyard real fast, play together and find another new mental brain contraption that fell for some black holes far away, run around in the backyard together, seeing all kinds of new things, have fun, here is a new one:

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Wow, this must be really complicated, I can barely see a Free Will to Judgment converter, a progress to regress condensation machine, wow is that mind - universe contraption really doing interesting things (as a modified mind is all and one with its personal universe, such as Information Relationships Achieved).

nameta----because of our nature and long nurture we do not want to be judged bad by other humans that will kill us if that is what they decide…

Because you don’t want people treating you and yours like that.

Secondly I would propose the opposite more Aristotelian view; lets try not to suck in every way possible, lets try to improve ourselves and those around us. This world already sucks, so for what time we are here surely we wish to make that as comfortable and beneficial as possible. It makes us feel better to improve ourselves, so why on earth not.

Progress makes life better, eventually robots will do menial tasks and we will all be tourists, hurrah. :slight_smile:

We are extraordinary creations of nature. Look at how nature works. There is no model. Everything is unique. Just like you. But you are spoiled because of society. You see, society says you have to change. So you conform. Then society says be an individual, be peerless. Its all neurotic. Society is based on neurosis.

When you suddenly stop playing that game, you have others that are still caught up in it. Then comes their judgment upon you. So you are alone with your uniqueness which is what you are in the first place.

An excerpt from Sharon Lebell’s Translation of Arrians notes from the Stoic philosopher Epictetus’s teachings.

"Never depend on the admiration of others. Theres no strength in it. Personal merit cannot be found in your personal associations, nor can it be found in the regard of other people. It is a fact of life that other people, even people who love will not necessarily agree with your ideas, understand you, or share your enthusiasms. Grow up! Who cares what other people think of you!

Create your “own” merit."

Sounds like a terrible future, You ever see Wall-E… yeah.

You’re right 9, we shouldn’t let other minds bother us, we shouldn’t bother other minds, each one of us is a world unto ourselves. We think we have shared experiences we can tap into via language, representations and symbols, but what those signs, scribbles and gestures mean to me, may not be what they mean to you.

It’s all bunk, you’re all aliens to me, I can’t know you, you can’t know me. When I talk into your life, it is if I’m speaking in a foreign tongue and vice versa. My words appear to you like unidentified flying objects, mysterious, incomprehensible, you’d rather not know. You were happy in your world before you had the misfortune of meeting the other. When you attempted “communication”, you weren’t looking for the other, you were looking for yourself in the other, and when you didn’t find yourself, you felt frustrated. You weren’t seeking anything new, you were seeking confirmation, validation of yourself, when you didn’t find it, you became cynical, jaded, so you turned inward. The only people seeking the genuine other are children.

9 must be an introverted soul, or is that something I’ve imposed on his fragile little ego and convuluted identity, I’ll never know. I’m pressuming he’s an introvert, a bit schizoid or autistic, perhaps by choice but, maybe that’s just my misinterpretation of him. Infact, he may consider himself an extrovert, why should I tell him any different, he’s happy in his world, thinking of himself in a certain light, why disturb him, or anyone for that matter?

Each one of us is our own species, especially the more individualistic among us, who refrain from… Each of us so complex, so dynamic, it would take a lifetime to accurately comprehend one another. Even our own friends and family have difficulty understanding us, yet we think we know what’s best for total strangers, that we can readily indentify and diagnose them… how arrogant and presumptuous of us, neh?

I’ve been following 9 a little. He’s desperately trying to communicate his version of unreality as honestly and sincerely as he can, at least, that’s what I gather, I could be mistaken, but no one gives him the time of day. I want to get to know him, I want to make that extra effort, to not color him, taint him with my biases and contrary values, if that’s even possible. If I never got to know anyone elses eccentric thoughts, why should I expect anyone to get to know mine?

So often, when we propose a hitherto unheard of idea, people try and put you in some box so you’re more easily dismisslbe or digestible, then theyll pass judgement on you. Well, we never try and understand the other, I’m trying to understand you 9, your voice is speaking to me right now, your words against words, should we even try 9, are we better off being alone, secluded from the world, in our dark, safe little lair? ? ?

Is there any point to communication, can we influence people? Do we need thoughts, emotions, perhaps we have a surplus of them? should we do away with them, should we be more like a reptile, or a plant? Do we really need all this grey matter and grey energy? Could a retard do as well, better even?

The Gods know I’ve tried to communicate with people on this forum, but let’s be honest and forthright, they all think I’m a fool. Was there any point, any point at all? I don’t think anyonre has ever agreed with me, ever, about anything on this forum, I haven’t been able to change anyones mind, lost in translation, is what it was.

Is it even worth speaking the same language, perhaps we ought to all speak a different tongue? What makes me think a man on the other side of the continent can understand me? He may speak English, but he’s had such different experiences, is there any point in attempting communication with him? Human beings evolved languages in hunter gatherer conditions, does it follow language wasn’t designed, intended for such a large, diverse and disparate populous?

Pinkos, I’m surrounded by fucking pinkos!

I’ve read some of his posts, including the OP of this thread.
So, there are people spending time on what he writes.
I didn’t reply because I’m not really interested in religion and especially judgment day scare tactics of Monotheism (among other reasons).

I think all humans (known to me) to be stupid and insane including myself.
So, I’d probably agree that I also think you are a fool in the way we all are.

I just agreed with you.

Anyway, thanks to your remark (or love-call, or whatever), I’ve read some other posts of nameta9 (including the old one posted 2004 like this one: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=142324 ) and I found interesting.
Thank you. :slight_smile: