Maybe most do, maybe most don’t. Some definitely do.
Those will have clearly identifiable symptoms.
Incoherence, being the main one.
Not according to Jung, though. According to Jung that is simply the “shadow self.” Shiny.
Well in case you’re trying to get an NPD or a BPD to get therapy, forget about it. Doesn’t work.
I am simply pointing out what it would take to uncover traumatic repression. Only the psychopath is actually untreatable.
Ok it is the repressing act that leaves the incoherence, not the repressed material that constitutes it. Thats interesting.
Yeah I wondered about that, if you had managed to dig one up. And thus you had won the lottery or sold a rap album. Which may be more actually therapeutic if it’s just the one.
In any case I know people who have gone through long years of it.
Well, then.
Jung is important.
He adds something crucial to Freud. And yet he is exceptionally loyle to his capo.
No. Real trauma is manifest every waking minute.
To muster the courage to look at what one is before it, is the difficult part.
NPDs BPDs and sociopaths are also untreatable. Maybe you get lucky and can treat 1 in 100 NPDs, or decrease the emotional turmoil of some BPDs.
That has to be a good sign, don’t it?
I can’t say the same, my guy.
Not really. It’s just a pseudo religion that some people like and I am in no position to criticize. But it has nothing to do with Freud.
Yeah that’s the whole fucking point of this thread. The disease is there constantly, the aberration caused by the event and subsequent repression.
What is not manifest is the reason for it. The traumatic event, the spliced narrative. It’s just orphaned emotions and patchworks of egoic thread. That’s why incoherence emerges.
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I just asked if you had found an analyst.
Did you read his essays on Freud?
Religion, and shamanism, factors in as existing psychological makeup, but it’s not itself religious text. It just offers things like the criticisms I outlined here, which are perfectly pertinent to Freud and biologically inevitable at that, and which you say you will not argue with.
I won’t argue with it because it is a mythology, articles of faith. But psychoanalysis they are not.
Psychoanalysis is a cold dissection of the psyche and its operations.
But notice how I didn’t. Because you are not looking too well, player.
Thats some ivory tower nonsense if I ever seen some. Do you think a person who has seen his family killed needs a fucking mystery quest to find the cause of his trauma?
Like I say, the hard thing is not ‘to find that there is something to find’ as you say, but to bring oneself in a position to address oneself in terms of it. Thats perhaps as traumatic, and thus will rarely actually happen even in decades of daily therapy.
This is why the truly traumatized are generally just silent about it all, close their eyes for a moment when it gets too much, then go on with their life- as there is nothing one can possibly ‘integrate’ about such stuff.
Well, yes.
But the example is not a good one to show why. A good example would be sexual abuse by a family member. For example. That kind of shit destroys so much of what the ego is built on that it just gets stashed away.
Yes, I know, how shocking that this is even possible. Welcome to the field of trauma.
Jung is a they?
Never mind, so you’ve not read him.
Eh, no you fag. Im well aware, and no small thanks to my encounter with your ultra-repressed psyche. Just saying - neither are you, if you hadn’t noticed.
The articles of faith for the love of Cristo Jesus.
Hahahahahaha but don’t be angry at me for it!
I agree that I’m on a bit of a valley right now. I had an explosion of goodness and there is a bit of a washback from the wave. That’s well called out.
Yeah I think the guy could be dealing with an NPD. In that case the “traumatic event” probably happened in early childhood, maybe around age 2-4. Some kind of abandonment issue maybe, not getting enough attention.
Yeah, an ivory tower perspective.
Do you think anyone on this planet is unaware of the ancient reality of sexual abuse within families?
I just refuted your position on trauma in general.
Ok - so you are talking specifically about sexual abuse within family. Now we are getting somewhere.
Are we?
What are you so angry at me about? Maybe we can start there.
Why would I not be angry at you? You’re malicious out of repression, to the severe detriment of someone who was quite fine before he met you, and you actually respect this debasing aspect of yourself.
What was so great, and how did I fuck it up?