Jupiter and Saturn, European Paganism never Ended...

The Christian-Jewish-Moslem Abrahamic “God” is actually Jupiter, aka “Jove”, aka “Jehova”.

There are two dominant Cults of European history, the Cult of Jupiter and the Cult of Saturn.

There are of course the ‘Lesser’ gods and godesses, which were attributed to the planets of the Solar System, Sol, Earth, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Neptune, etc.

“Jupiter” had to be renamed and conceived other than the Græco-Roman Pantheon, and so was ‘translated’ into the Abrahamic-Christian “God”.

When Modern humans say, think, or believe “God”, they don’t actually know What/Whom/Which Entity they adulate and obey. They don’t know what they even Believe. This is because the history of the Bible is a Roman Catholic history of Transcription. The Romans controlled “The Word” for hundreds and over a thousand years. For most of European History, there was “Free Speech”. The “Free Speech” was a Protestant Rebellion against the Church, to what we all know now today.

The Cult of Jupiter has always been Antagonized by the Cult of Saturn, the two Monstrosities of Planets in the Solar System, vying for Gravitational control over the Solar System.

Saturn = “Satan”. Jupiter = “God”. The two are at War. And although the Judæo-Christians proselytized and commanded that thou (European) “shall recognize no God before Me”, what is literally intended, is that all lesser gods would be stricken from the History books, and so they were. The Cult of Saturn became “the Occult Satan”. Thus the Light-bringer was rendered unto Darkness, and cast out of Heaven.

An interesting idea, though it was definitely a lot more complicated than that. Here are some thoughts, though.

The Northern European peoples didn’t have an exact equivalent of Saturn. This is why Saturday is named after the Roman god, whereas all the other days have Anglo-Saxon names.

In Classical mythology, Saturn was the father of Jupiter, against whom Jupiter rebelled.

In modern astrology, Saturn is an ill omen. But in ancient Roman religion, Saturn was an agricultural god, with no bad associations.

I don’t know anything about Jupiter being born to Saturn…

But I do know that Saturn is 2nd in gravitational force in the Solar System, with Jupiter as the first. It is an Alpha-Beta, Superior-Inferior relationship, which exhibits itself continually throughout European history as the “God–Satan” and “Christianity–Satanism” antagonism.

What is the Cult of Saturn?? What does Saturn represent Mythologically?? Saturn is a vengeful God, lust for Power, and will ‘eat’ his own children to gain power. This is linked directly with child-sacrifice and worship of the Blood-deities. Hence Saturn is linked directly to modern-day “Satanism”, by which Satanists are perceived as those who will scrap and abandon all morals and ethics for a pursuit to power. This also links with the modern Abortion and Eugenicist movements.

I believe, personally, that these Cults are all linked in time and even genealogy.

Jupiter is the Dominant God, more powerful and gravitational than Saturn, and so the antagonism remains between the two.

In Astronomy, although Saturn has rings and a powerful gravitational force, it dwells in comparison to Jupiter, the many Moons of Jupiter, along with the entire Asteroid Belt which revolves around Jupiter.

Jupiter (Zeus) was the son of Saturn (Cronus).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_(mythology

I’ve never heard anything about a surviving cult of Saturn after Pagan religions were suppressed. There was, however, a cult of Diana in Italy, whose adherents were stigmatised as witches.

The Catholics burned witches and jailed/persecuted heretics for Centuries during the Dark Ages.

This is why European paganism is not as widely acknowledged or conceived even today.

They have controlled the ‘Narrative’ for over a Millennium… the internet, Protestantism, and post-Colonial era have destroyed most of their former power.

Today the Narrative is radically different than before, due to the instigation of the US Constitutional “Freedom of Speech” as a means to escape from and rebuke Catholic Authoritarian tendencies.

However, new Authoritarians and wannabe Dictatorships are rising, and must be struck down, in order for free-thought, free-expression, and free-speech to survive in the New World.

The Old World is corrupt and aged, too slow to react and adapt to the coming centuries and eras.

I always get the impression that the USA is far more advanced in its suppression of freedom of thought than we are here.

Why do you bother responding to him?

He researches nothing. He knows nothing about it. There is nothing there based in fact or myth. He just writes a bunch of nonsense.

I suppose I was hoping for an actual discussion about Pagan mythology and its influence. But it turned political very quickly.

I think that your best option is to start a thread and write some posts about Pagan mythology. Keep adding material and only respond to people which are on topic.

You might spark an interest.

Yes, that’s certainly an idea. I did a similar thing with my thread about ancient matriarchal societies.

What do think people would find interesting about Pagan mythology?

The way that different mythologies from all over the world have similar stories, for example. I find that very interesting, anyway. It’s also fascinating how Pagan mythology survived into more recent times in legends and folklore.

That does sound interesting.

…an interesting find, that could explain the ancient mythological similarities and the first civilisations arising in the Fertile Crescent and Indus Valley areas and the Indo/Euro connection, of both language and beliefs.

The Khoisan, the oldest tribe in Aftca, are the spitting image of Malays and other S. E. Asian peoples.

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An Asian Origin for Human Ancestors?
Myanmar fossil suggests our earliest predecessors may not have come from Africa

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Researchers agree that our immediate ancestors, the upright walking apes, arose in Africa. But the discovery of a new primate that lived about 37 million years ago in the ancient swamplands of Myanmar bolsters the idea that the deep primate family tree that gave rise to humans is rooted in Asia. If true, the discovery suggests that the ancestors of all monkeys, apes, and humans—known as the anthropoids—arose in Asia and made the arduous journey to the island continent of Africa almost 40 million years ago.

Until 18 years ago, fossils of every suspected early anthropoid were found in Egypt and dated to about 30 million years ago. Then, starting in the 1990s, researchers began discovering the remains of petite primates that lived 37 million to 45 million years ago in China, Myanmar, and other Asian nations. This suggested that anthropoids may have actually arisen in Asia and then migrated to Africa a few million years later. But paleontologists have lacked the fossils to show when and how these anthropoids trekked from Asia to Africa, says paleontologist K. Christopher Beard of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

In 2005, Beard and an international team of researchers sifting fossils of early fish, turtle, and ancestral hippo teeth from fossil beds near the village of Nyaungpinle in Myanmar found a molar the size of a kernel of popcorn. The tooth, dated to about 38 million years ago, belonged to a new species of ancient primate, which would have been the size of a small chipmunk. After several more years of arduous fieldwork, the team has collected just four molars of this primitive anthropoid, which they named Afrasia djijidae. “It’s a difficult place to work; it took us 6 years to find four teeth,” says Beard.

The four molars were enough to show Beard and team leader Jean-Jacques Jaeger of the University of Poitiers in France that Afrasia was closely related to another primitive anthropoid that lived at about the same time, but in Africa—Afrotarsius libycus from Libya. When the researchers examined the teeth from the two primates under a microscope, they were so similar in size, shape, and age that they could have belonged to the same species of primate, says Beard. Such close resemblance between an Asian and African fossil anthropoid has “never been demonstrated previously,” the authors write online today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

On closer examination, however, the team noticed that the new molars from the Asian Afrasia were more primitive than those of Afrotarsius from Libya, particularly in the larger size of a tiny bulge at the back of its last lower molar. These primitive traits, as well as the greater diversity and age of early, or “stem,” anthropoids in Asia rather than Africa suggest that this group arose in Asia and migrated to Africa 37 million to 39 million years ago. “Anthropoids didn’t arrive in Africa until right before we find their fossils in Libya,” says Jaeger.

The Out-of-Asia scenario may have been complex. The team proposes that more than one species of anthropoid migrated from Asia to Africa at about this time, because there are at least two other types of early anthropoids alive at about the same time as Afrotarsius in Libya, yet they are not closely related to Afrotarsius or Afrasia. This may be because once they got to Africa, they found ideal lush conditions with few carnivores and underwent a “starburst of evolution,” says Beard, rapidly giving rise to a number of new species.

Others agree that if both the new species of primates from Myanmar and Libya are indeed early anthropoids, they would greatly strengthen the case for the Asian origins of anthropoids. “If proven, the biogeographical significance of these results is profound,” says paleontologist Richard Kay of Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. It would show that there was a major migration of primates and probably other mammals between the two continents at a time when it was not easy to get across the ancient Tethys Sea that divided Africa from Asia. And for humans, it would suggest that our deepest primate roots were in Asia, not Africa.

Still, the similarity between the species rests on just four molars of Afrasia, Kay notes, although teeth are the most reliable way to measure relatedness. And some researchers have yet to be convinced that Afrotarsius in Libya is a stem anthropoid rather than an ancestor of tarsiers, primates that are not anthropoids and, thus, are more distant relatives. Kay, however, says the scales are tipping toward an Asian origin. “We’ve all heard about Out-of-Africa for human origins,” adds Beard. “Now we think there was an Out-of-Asia migration into Africa first.”

science.org/content/article … -ancestors

This fits in with a lot of Asian mythology, especially Indian mythology, which places the origin of the human race in a sunken land called Kumari Kandam, which adjoined India. This idea was later taken up by 19th century geologists, who renamed it Lemuria, and proposed that it was a land bridge between Asia and Africa, to account for the distribution of Lemurs in both areas. Lemurs are a very early type of primate, and their name comes from the Latin for ghost. In Roman times the Lemuria was a festival of the dead that took place in May.

You mean the real actual acutal god geezer. The actual one and only bonfide deity.
Boy oh boy we are all just so grateful to you for letting us know.

How did we ever survive without your great wisdom?

It’s complicated.

The United States public schooling system was overcome and captured by radical, far-left Marxists at the end of the 1990s. From that time, “free speech” has been attacked relentlessly. I won’t go much into it here, since this is now quite off-topic.

However, since the Puritans landed on American shores, Colonialist America allowed opportunities for ideologues to travel West, explore, settle, and colonize, and establish their own belief-systems and ideologies away from the Aristocracy and Classist mentality of Europeans. Europeans are still essentially Classists, compared to Americans, who are not. Furthermore, despite these recent political contaminations, and the invasion of Marxism in USA, there are still countless areas of free expression and thought in the New World.

I would consider USA ten to a hundred times freer than the United Kingdom, especially considering we can arm ourselves while you and your population cannot.

Your people are still essentially servants of your Crown. You are a subject of the British Monarch. Americans are not, because we fought for, and earned our Freedom.

Furthermore, your culture is still dominated by the Church of England, Anglicanism.

Why don’t you mention the proposition that Jupiter “is actually” Zeus? Or that Saturn “is actually” Hades? “Is actually” begs the ontological question. How is any god anything? In other words what is the thingness of a god? If gods are not material beings in what way can they be said to exist? If they are spiritual beings, what is spirit? If they are mere figments of the imagination, how can it be said that one “is actually” another? Isn’t each figment “actually” uniquely itself and no other? And what is that exactly?

You are asserting that there is a historical-social phenomenon whereby one god “becomes” another. Is the name the only thing about the god that changed? If more than that changes, how can one god be said to “actually” be another?

I don’t know that this is true… I think the distinction you’re trying to make was best made by Bono of all people (or at least, that’s where I first heard it).
In the US when you drive by the big mansion on the hill you look up at it and say “If I work really hard, one day I’ll be the one who lives in that mansion”
In europe when we drive by that mansion we look up at it and say “One day, if I work really hard, I’ll tear that sucker down!”

I think it’s because in europe that mansion housed a tyrant and people’s resentment for the blue blooded aristocracy is still alive.
America’s history is a gold rush… a race to becoming the new aristocrats in a new world.
It’s still classist, it’s just re-framed as a positive, the dream of being the one in the mansion.

Those countervailing tendencies both exist among Americans.