It does seem to place a spell on us does it not? It has a power over us. It affects our very behavior.
It can calm us down or rile us up, it mirrors while also affecting our moods.
Some encourage you to get up and dance without regard to sense, others are just meant to be listened too, almost in a meditative state.
They can have a Theraputic effect on an individual.
Aren’t these chords and vocal merely the recitation of audible spells?
Keep in mind this is merely something I was pondering.
Unless it is a song by Queen, no it’s a form of creative art unless you are a cover band or just rehashing old music for the $.
Music that puts a spell over us because it makes us emote, or at least good music does, but it is no more magic than a good book or an amazing painting or Chuck Norris.
Creative art means?
What is non-creative art then?
Doing a shit on a canvas lying in it and smearing it all around then selling it for 1 trillion dollars, because you once sold some paintings that were not shit. 
Even Jackson Pollock realised that at some point just doing the same thing because people demand it is liable to lead you to drink and an early grave. I should probably of said original though rather than creative. 
Would that be Art though?
I wouldn’t say so, but thats the debate.
It certainly is, is modern art actually art at all if it is just regurgitating tired old ideas to meet an economic demand, substantially exacerbated by art critics or collectors, who probably are invested in keeping a medium stale on the basis they have bought some persons valuable paintings.
Music exists, and is therefore not magic anymore than titties are.
You’re welcome, friend. You’re welcome.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as magic, or magik. Why are we using the “k” guys?
Great question, Stioc guardian!
Really had to put on my thinking cap!
But I’m not sure if we’re talking about
1 magic: The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces
or
2 magick - the idea described by Aleister Crowley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick
I’ll start with 1.
Music, I think we accept is a form of art.
Art is something which influences our emotions. (I’m a big believer in the idea that the best art is the most infectious or affects the viewers or listeners the most - I was heavily influenced by Tolstoy’s what is art http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_Art%3F
Emotions are difficult to understand, definitely mysterious (or maybe I just need to “get in touch with myself”) but hopefully we can agree they are non-rational.
And surely we can agree that emotions influence our behaviour and so the course of events.
So Yeah, I’d agree that music is a form of magic.
As for the second definition, I’ve just become acquainted with this idea.
My understanding is magick is essentially how we bring about circumstances that we want or “will”
Magick is …
“True Will” requires self knowledge, according to Crowley. If music helps us discover ourselves, then, surely, it must be magick.
On “magical weapons” Crowley wrote
Then composing music, it seems, would be the Will to inform the world of certain emotions or perceptions or whatever the music communicates.
So after a bit of pondering, I’d have to agree with you, music is a form of magick providing it influences us in accordance with someone’s Will. For the composer or “DJ”, national anthems or musical propaganda may be a good example. For the listener, music which invokes an emotion or spirit and causes self-discovery may be considered magick.
What do you think?
Also cheers for turning me onto magick!
Fascinating!
I would initially agree yet there is something enigmatic about what lies prior to info and the material [I.e. in the pre-universe]. Same thing in our minds, as to how something purely mental can communicate with physical signals etc.
A deterministic and mechanistic universe seams in opposition to the plasticity of our minds and life in general [when we take that fluidity away life dies]. As we cannot define ‘material’ I don’t see how we can also define ‘information’, both appear to be projections of something far more subtle. Without being able to describe that most subtle thing ~ necessarily, I think we can see that same thing in our minds eye, and thus in its subjective interpretations of sensory input.
Music as any qualia, I feel belongs to that enigmatic essentiality of mind, the part that recognises things across different sources and abstracting informations, then also across various visual, audio and other mental interpretations.
By this same ‘magic’ we experience passion and emotion in many expressed forms, it crosses the boundaries between all these things - if I may. Like art, music can bring us in contact with everything from base emotions which are un-interpretive in and of themselves, to the most eloquent and poetic of human expression.
We cannot describe these things because we cannot describe that enigmatic part of reality!
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If I were an artist, I wouldn’t want to be sold while alive. That would consumerize–or commercialize–my work. I’d become a drab drab to my art and it would no longer be art.
Smears, magick was coined to distinguish between a stage magician–an illusionist–and a Mage of the true Zoroastrian persuasion, who seems to have been an alchemist. Magi were the ‘wise’ men who could, supposedly, turn base metals into gold and water into wine. (I know, but Zoroastrianism gave a lot to Judaism and, later on, Christianity.)
Don’t worry about using the ‘k’ key–it’s pretty unused and probably feels rather lonely, as a result. 
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I would say music is certainly a form of magic, perhaps one of the most powerful forms. I’m not sure if it’s a form of Magick though, which is Crowley’s system. Rather, that seemed to involve massive daily injections of heroin and cocaine, anal sex and regular bouts of gibbering insanity. Perhaps music played a secondary part, or should I say Musick?