Just a quick legal question.
If I kill someone in the US that is not a US citizen, and has no green card, or any form of documentation. He just floated on over from… Russia… and then I stab him as I find him on the beach… Can I be tried for murder?
Of course. What made you think you can’t?
Sounds like somebody needs a good attorney.
I know a guy.
R.T.,
“Russia… and then I stab him as I find him on the beach… Can I be tried for murder?”
Are you reading Camus’ The Stranger again? Its an “Arab”, not a “Russian”.
Dunamis
Not reading anything… Just a theory about laws… I think thats stupid that I cant kill him… I mean… Hes not paying taxes… Why should the Police extend their protection to him?
R.T.
“I think thats stupid that I cant kill him… I mean… Hes not paying taxes… Why should the Police extend their protection to him?”
Go ahead, kill him.
a) hope that he is not a member of the Russian mob.
b) do not confess your murder to anyone who would think ill enough of it to make your life more difficult
c) just as a matter of moral consistency, accept the right for anyone to kill you just because you don’t fulfill any number of social requirements that they see as relevant, (such as lack of morality for instance).
Dunamis
If you already killed him the police pretty much failed to protect him…
why should you be prosecuted? Well, if you were in Russia, you would probably like to think that someone may hesitate to kill you because they would be prosecuted in return. It is one of those reciprocal deals.
Our laws are more about humans that nationals, so it would not matter.
Dunamis
“just as a matter of moral consistency, accept the right for anyone to kill you just because you don’t fulfill any number of social requirements that they see as relevant, (such as lack of morality for instance).”
I dont have morals, so theres no consistency… But anyone has the right to kill me anytime. And I them. How the police will punish anyone or me for that killing is another question.
"If you already killed him the police pretty much failed to protect him…
why should you be prosecuted? Well, if you were in Russia, you would probably like to think that someone may hesitate to kill you because they would be prosecuted in return. It is one of those reciprocal deals."
Threat of punishment man… Protection is extended through threat of punishment. If I knew its illegal, I wont do it. Thus protection. In this case, they have to prove its not an idle threat, so that others wont go around killing non citizens.
And there is some kind of legal dynamic between countires. So I would understand if US deported me to Russia for them to punish me. But lets change the scenario. What if it was a country-less man I killed.
PS, I think this thread should be in philosophy… Let it evolve… I have a direction for it… Damnit… I bet Imp moved it here. Hes just bitter I proved the induction fallacy wrong… DAMN YOU IMP!!!
As far as I know deportation( in cases involving a crime) usually occurs when a suspect has fled a country where a crime was committed (by and large, nations are considered sovereign and anyone within said nation’s borders are subject to its laws) ((break a law in Turkey, you go to a Turkish prison)). Though that is not always the case, it is the norm.
As for your first point then, if you think you would be deported to Russia for killing a Russian citizen here in America, why would you even consider it? A Russian prison must be a fairly close approximation to hell on earth.
What if you killed someone with no known nationality? You mean like a space alien? I am no expert, but I don’t think there are any state or federal statutes related to homicide that specify nationality (here in the U.S. at least). If you willfully kill someone it is still murder regardless of the precise longitude and latitude of the location where they were born.