Knowledge, not real, not false, just formatted in a new way?

I’ve wondered whether math and physics even exist…

I thought that they were only measurements, tools built for, bot not naturally a part of reality.

I’m not going to go and say that all knowledge is untrue, but I do think that people mix up understanding and reality – because the two are so compatable that they appear to be the same thing.

Perhaps I’ve been too critical of thought itself? And beleif also? Recreation of an atomic or chemical reaction done in a lab – is an example of recreating some possible part of reality. It’s very real, though it wouldn’t have happened if people didn’t make it happen.

Maybe I’ll go so far as to renew my faith in a larger portion of human belief, because our ability to understand and recreate reality in our minds – is what makes active life even possible.

Now I am surprised that I’d doubted it so deeply.

Do we already basically have the truth and understanding of reality?

By God, I think he’s got it.

Very much so. There is no truth or understanding. Trying to find either leads you to nothing … which is where you started. But, the trip was fun, was it not?

Make life as fun as possible while it lasts. Actually make it more fun than possible. All it is is a trip that started from nothing and ended at nothing. If you are busy thinking all the time that leaves less time to just live life. Who cares what 2+2 is, I want to go see what its like on the top of that mountain over there. Live it up!

i agree life should be FUN. and thinking is apart of the FUN :smiley:

i think reality(in general) encompasses everything which exists. truth shouldn’t be mistaken for reality, because truth is a quality we apply to a theory/judgement which is considered, as is falsity.upon consideration we use our own experiences and information about others experiances to falsify or affirm any belief. the distinction which has to be made is which judgements/beliefs can be affirmed or denied for only something which can be falsified can be considered true.

i disagree

truth is only a quality once we think in the abstract. 

reality is a fundamental truth. for it is the truth of a fundamental reality which gives us our existence which in turn ironicly gives us the ability to contemplate truth.

We only see what our brains can comprehend.

Ahhh, I missed this part. During your trip its all up for grabs. Whatever floats your boat. Some people think climbing mountains is the most fun while others create atomic bombs. If thinking is the most fun for you on your trip to nothing then more power to you.

When what we subjectively conceive copmpliments objective reality we have truth. Applied science has shown us the the models in our mind in some way does compliment the objective world.

We send men to the moon with our science and math calculations. It transcends just ideas.

if a conception coincides with reality is it not a true conception?
if so, how do we decide wether any conception is believable?
i think we relate any conception to our conception of reality and if the conception we are relating falls in line with our conception of reality it is considered believable. in that sense all our falsity is caused by a false conception of reality or misconception. i think of my conception of reality as the sum of all my beliefs(physics, biology,chemistry,individuality) of course my views of reality are evolving with every new experiance and the knowledge i gain.

an aspect,apart, of life :smiley:

i did say “apart of the FUN” :wink:

there are observations.

explain further. 
what reaction are you referring to <img src="/uploads/default/original/2X/7/78536cf08b5cbccb06a10e44ddb8da50bfc1554d.gif" width="22" height="16" alt="#-o" title="d'oh!"/> ? 
what are you on about?

so am i.

of course we already basically have the truth and understanding of reality, wood is wood…water is water…stone is stone, where is the confusion between the three, basically?

I agree with jjg the most.

I believe in reduction of expectation, intake of objectives, and then subjectives naturally existing best within full understandings.