I’ve noticed an upsurge recently in the aggressive post-making of Club29. Why he has been doing this may possibly indicate an attempt to push harder with his proselytizing tactics as his softer methods in the past have yeilded no results whatsoever. From the most recent down:
I’m not sure what I think about the guy. I think he’s giving logical arguments to his ‘defense’, which I believe he should be able to have right? I’m not sure what’s so wrong with it, it’s a religious forum, maybe I should be asking why you’re here sage?
to be more specific, what do you have against Christianity? If you want to talk about social issues, we can discuss, but other than that I don’t see why hope is bad? Do you not believe Ignorance is bliss? If you do, why are you here? What are you defending? What has an atheist or agnostic got to offer that a Christian would want? Shouldn’t the moral ethical excuse be you want to help me? What have you got to offer me?
If you haven’t got anything to offer, and I’m not hurting you, why then, if you don’t believe in God, are you attacking my beliefs?
Furthermore, if I’m winning you over, that’s you-- This is something I cannot do, I can only help you understand and defend.
Why don’t we ask what I think?
I’m going to tell you. Sage, and many of you, wouldn’t believe no matter what I said. If truth isn’t knowable, than I really don’t have a defense at all, and neither do you. I would believe however, that if we found the answer to the origin of life, you would then decide that truth does exist, and God doesn’t, you wouldn’t leave the possibility of God open any longer, just as you have already done in your heart.
It’s easy to attack christianity… there’s no threat of beheading. If you had “balls”, you’d do like Emilio Karim Dabul…
He faces far more danger criticizing Islam, than you do criticizing christianity, even if you went to Phelps church. Phelps would hold up signs, telling you that fags go to hell. Mahmoud Ahmenijad, would string you up as an example for the rest of the secularists.
Your criticisms, against him “trying to convert” someone are also misplaced, if someone from here can be converted from there own beliefs that easily, they didn’t have very firm beliefs anyways.
Besides, better they become christian than muslim…
Well said. I agree with you of the blinding realities of most religions. Yet, I am strangly drawn to understanding them all. Perhaps it is a bit of morbid fascination?
You give arguments against God, and blame God, but yet you do not believe in God.
What’s good to you is relative isn’t it? So what’s God going to do about everyone’s relativisms? If you try and please everyone, you won’t please anyone when discussing relativisms.
Actually that is my reasoning for not believing in God. I am glad you have read into my mind and decided these things for me. Thanks!
I am not asking God to help me win a Golf game. But is it really good for rape? or murder of innocents? I think we can both agree that is a relative opinion for what we believe is not just.
Indeed your reality is the only one you see fit to understand. I have accepted that.
Wow you are quite the misunderstanding one. I accept that as my subjective belief. Does it vary person to person? Yes. Therefore I cannot name it objective. But it is my PERSONAL belief. Is it a grand truth? I am not sure.
Because most people as you said in another post only learn from tragedy. I fear you shall become one of them.
Actually I didn’t; don’t you just love keeping me in the dark about these things?? :lol: I’m actually suprised you made this thread your business Scythe. It was my interpretation that you were going to be ignoring me forever, but lo and behold, here you are, making this thread out to be yet another toilet for Islam. Except for this:
Good comment; I like it. While you’ve made a good point, it still brings up a counter-argument for Club like: “If he would realize that people have firm beliefs at ILP and would never be swayed, why bother in the first place?” It’s really simple when you think about it… He knew what he was getting into, so by default, he deserves to trip over every stump (in a manner of speaking).
So now… the main questions…
Okay… it’s perfectly fine to be unsure about yourself… go on.
You just said you were not sure… Hmm… Despite that, you think that you’re giving ‘logical arguments,’ which is strange because last I looked, logic does not bode well with religious dogma.
Well… it is a religious forum, but for more than one religion. I’m here to help you understand that fact. Afterall, if it wasn’t for more than one religion, it should have been labeled THE CHRISTIANITY FORUM!
Did I say I had something against Christianity? Doesn’t appear so. Hmm… (just checked) … nope! I do have something against you though.
Did I say hope is bad? Hmm… that’s two you’ve assumed wrongly… how unfortunate.
No, I don’t actually.
Now that is a definitive question! I am defending the freedom of thought; the choice one should have to discover “truth” as they may find it on their own accord and not by the ‘guidance’ or ‘word’ of another. I am against your attempts to make this forum into your private inquisition; asking people about their beliefs for the sole purpose of raising your own above theirs. It’s sickening! It’s almost as bad as the last few Muslim members we had on this site who ranted endlessly about Islam and how it’s the truth.
The aetheist or agnostic has nothing a Christian would want. If you are a Christian, that obviously means that you’ve found a truth that works for you and allows you to live comfortably with yourself and the world. In reverse, the Christian has nothing the aetheist or agnostic wants because they have already found a truth or viewpoint in life that they are comfortable with. The only help I want to give you is to be more mindful of others who do not share your personal beliefs.
Again, I’m not attacking your beliefs, just your method of communicating those beliefs. If you were a Muslim like the one’s we’ve had here before, I’d be giving you the same treatment. Oh yeah, btw… that’s assumption number three… tsk, tsk, tsk…
So, according to your interpretation, if I’m not affirming the existence of your god, I’m denying it completely?
