Learning from the UK failure of Brexit

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In America, as we fall into a slow moving dictatorship,
I thought I would spread the joy by examining the UK and
brexit… I began by noting that the UK has gone through a
lot of PM’s over the last few years…Since Blair, who served
for 10 years, you have, including Blair, 9 PM… the average
number of years for the PM job has been 3.1 years…but that
leaves us an accounting problem, how do we account for the two
who have done less than 2 months… Truss lasted 50 days and
Burnham has been there for 6 days…so, if we take out Blair
and his 10 years, we have the average length of time for a PM
at 2.26 years and if we removed Cameron, 6 years, we have
7 PM’s with roughly 1.7 years average… again, Truss and Burnham
kinda messes up the average…

Now the vote for Brexit was in June 2016… roughly 10 years ago…
and the actual leaving Brexit was in 2020…

As we know, Cameron was PM during the vote… and he left office
shortly thereafter… while it was Boris Johnson who was PM when
they left Brixit… in midterm I believe… but what about afterwards?
we have had 4 PM afterwards, and the longest lasting one was
Starmer… at 2 years…with Truss ad Burnham being less than
60 days combined… this lack of stability should tell us that
Brixit was not a success…and that is supported by polls which
suggest that if the vote was today, Brixit would have been totally
defeated… with 58% of voters wanting to return to the EU…
and only 42% voting to remain…

and we can see why… studies have indicated that the UK
has lost almost 2 million jobs since Brexit… and that the economy
is 6 to 8 % smaller because of it… and those numbers are frankly
alarming…

But it also suggests something else…that going it alone, as
the UK has done, is a bad idea economically…
which also suggests that IQ45 drive to MAGA is going to
go down the exact same route… we need, economically,
to intertwine ourselves with others if we are going to succeed…

The village idiot has by excluding the U.S from other treaties,
has damaged the American economy… There is a lesson
to be learned from the UK shooting itself in the foot…
and I hope we, perhaps, might learn that lesson…
that if you want economic success, you must begin
by becoming stronger economic partners with others…

but of course, that is but one lesson, what other lessons
might we learn from Brixit…

Kropotkin

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These statistics are generally misinterpreted. The economy grew, but it didn’t grow as much as the peer reviewed studies conclude it would have grown if they had stayed in the EU. The UK created two million less jobs than it would have created. Not that it lost 2 million jobs. In fact it has a couple million more jobs than it had in 2016. Just not the projected amount if it had stayed.

Let’s repeat that. PK’s statistic is false as presented. It’s not that the UK lost jobs. In fact it gained jobs. It just didn’t gain as many jobs as it is projected to have gained. And note, that it did in fact gain jobs better than many of the EU nations during that period. PK is alarmed, in a way that fits his politics, over a misinterpretation of the statistics he presents. He probably notices when the right does this kind of thing, but clearly doesn’t notice when he does this.

Critics of those statistic argue that Covid and other factors are not easy to tease out of such projections. They also argue that the goal of Brexist was to retain legislative control over the UK by the UK and that short term weaker growth is a small price to pay for retaining the integrity of the UK. It should also be pointed out that the anti-Brexit group stated with great certainty that there would be a huge crash not long after Brexit. This was, it turns out, wrong by orders of magnitude, perhaps mere manipulative propaganda.

Also if you look at GDP and unemployment changes over the last 10 years since Brexit, the UK falls in the middled of the EU, actually doing better than some of the larger economies still in the EU like Germany and France.

Further, this has been an adaption phase. We don’t really know what will happen in the next period. The government had to make shifts in the way its departments worked. Businesses had to shift. They had to start forming treaties on an individual level. This changes diplomacy. In other words, there’s a huge adaption period. And still, it’s doing better than some of the EU economies that are traditionally very powerful in a number of statistics, and in Germany, both. So, we don’t really know what the long-term effects of Brexit are.

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Is there any reason why certain people have literally zero capacity for self-verification and understanding how they are the very thing they claim to be fighting against?

Cause i find this to be one of those special topics which goes unexplored.
You got the “left” across the entire planet importing voters at this stage without restraint or regard, because they know that illegals have no choice but to vote for them, but simultaneously you have chucklefcks like these who claim that parties and people who try to restore normalcy, who demand borders to be restored and sovereign nature of the nation kept up, are creating dictatorships.

This evergreen attitude of “its only democracy when i get to do whatever i want, cause im the gold standard of what should happen, and if you are against anything i want, then i am oppressed and you are a fcking dictator”.

What kind of psychopathy goes into the idea that you are the fucking moral arbiter of the human race, and you think that everyone who is against you is not a different opinion, but something you need to stomp out in order to protect democracy?

This goes on for a while until you realize that these people have fundamentally no fucking idea what democracy is, what equality is, what oppression is, what dictatorships are, what basically anything is.
The only thing they know is: Ya shut your mouth and subject yourself to my will or otherwise you are a nazi that needs to be removed.

Cant describe it any other way than psychopathy.
Cause being a narcissist and self absorbed does not go hand in hand with the complete inability to understand what the fuck you are doing.
A narcissist cant accept it. Cant face it. Has to cope out of it. Dodge it. Deflect it.
But even a narcissist is aware of it. It is always trying to find a way to escape the idea of accountability. Of not being superior.

But these people?
No. Awareness of their own putrid psychopathic and authoritarian nature is never happening.
They could literally stand over mass graves and it’d never once cross their minds that you know… just maybe you are not the good guys in this story.

Lastly: Oh shit, the brits voted to leave the eu and not to be subservient to a fucking second soviet union. How dare they. How good they have it now that their left has disregarded them completely regardless and went ahead with repopulation and rights stripping at 5 times speed of the soviets.

But remember kids: We might take your rights, privacy, free speech, voting, democracy, and just about everything to the point of making the fucking soviets blush, but: You are the fucking nazis and dictators. We are stripping you of all your rights in the name of democracy.
And you know how im right?
“Coz britain has lost 2 million jobs or smthing”

Oh nevermind, i guess giving up your sovereignity and human rights for 2 million jobs is the way non dictators go about their day.
This is pure psychopathy.
Not opinions. Not ideology. Not belief. Just psychopathy.

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The E.U. has been a disaster for Europe.

The European nations were better off retaining their independent nationalism.

:clown_face:

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In addition to the problem with PK’s misinterpreted statistics, the EU also punished the UK. It treated it worse than it does other non-EU countries in trade. It reneged on certain projects that it said would not be affected by Brexit (Horizon Europe). IOW it did everything it could to make economically punish the UK. This is a short term problem that was unnecessary - unless the EU is anti-democratic and thinks the UK should have gone against its own voters - and part of any economic issues the UK has, but were not actually tied to indepedence. Other countries, like the US (under Biden), also got in on the punishment. They predicted it was a catastrophic choice. It wasn’t. They did all they could to make it look bad, which certainly had effects.

If being in the EU is so good, then in the long run countries will want to join. Instead of trusting their own project, the elites opted to use tremendous propaganda and scare tactics that then punish the UK and it’s ‘wrong-headed’ citizens for making a democratic choice.

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The EU decried russia for using oil as means to exert control and influence, meanwhile the EU operates SOLELY AND EXCLUSIVELY on that principle even against its OWN MEMBERS.

It blackmails, threatens, fcks with voting, democracy, news and information on the entire continent and if all methods fail to prevent the people from voting away from globalist ass licking then they gonna start roll out sanction and after sanction, stripping them of money that they are legitimately owed as part of the EU’s market ordering and organizing.

The EU screwed over the UK as hard as it could when they left to set a precedent that if you dare to betray the dear leaders, then you gonna get not just the short end of the stick, but also have it hammered through your head.

They screwed over everyone in poland, romania, hungary, and more.
And whenever democracy actually works and people vote them out, they circumvent it, declare cordon sanitere against parties which have been voted in by the people, and create party coalitions to prevent them from actually forming governments.

What is going on in the EU is no longer democracy.
Its occupation just a very subversive form of it, mostly played through 5th generation warfare.

And sitting in the midst of that are brainlets who think that whenever the right succeeds with ANYTHING and starts to restore sovereignty, thats a sign of dictatorship.
You can have an external power take control of your entire political and law system, lock you out of governing your own country, but that is not dictatorial or anything.

No, dictatorial is when 35 IQ sees that he cant steamroll an entire nation with his own preferences coz “those fucking extremists fascist dictators how dare they resist my will” and then cries about Trump being mean and 2 million jobs or smth.

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@Nausamedu

With Russian natural gas pipelines destroyed with the Ukranian war and E.U. Russia trade severed now we Americans get to charge all of Europe double for natural gas with our TransAtlantic LNG trading.

Funny how that worked so perfectly for the United States. Pure luck and no coincidence I guess.

:clown_face:

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Hahahahahahaha

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Partially. Cause now the dear leaders of the (E)USSR are throwing a hissyfit over trump too so they are now trying for all kinds of alternatives, but im sure that will be corrected the moment America has once again voted in an ass licking globalist as a leader like the dementia knight Biden was.

Well… nobody can save a nation from itself.
I can tell you as a hungarian where 3 million mentally impaired retards just voted to have Orban removed and an EPP puppet installed instead (which ofc is already leaking documents about how the country will have to align itself with the ban on russian resources so trump and the iran war will need to be blamed for the upcoming trippling of prices)

Im always teetering between being mad about 35 IQ retards collapsing the entirety of europe and being like “nah fuck it, every nation deserves what they voted for. All of you can fucking die”.

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