Lebanon ran out of room for trash

m.france24.com/en/20160312-leban … ish-crisis

Like… apparently the entire country ran out of room for dumping garbage 7 months ago, so everyone has been piling it up higher and higher.

It has a big ocean on one side, and a war zone on the other… if it really wanted to get rid of the stuff, it could.

My base in Iraq had a Iraqi base attached to it, on the far side of it, they would burn trash… shit stunk like hell, and thousands of birds would circle overhead shitting on anything and everything, especially things that moved, such as soldier running away from the stink, looking up at the dark smoke and crazy birds above… never look up unless your wearing protective glasses under such conditions… you really don’t want that surprise splatter smacking you in your face. If you do, at least keep your mouth shut when you do so, birds have excellent accuracy.

So… solutions not involving sea, burning, or smuggling trash in a war zone?

Even with aggressive recycling, they are still maxed out, so that’s not a solution in and of itself, only helps alleviate it from getting worst faster. It will still pile up no matter how liberal and ecological they get, so what are the real solutions?

They have an ocean? They can use barges and buy/lease landfill space from a neighbor. Other than that, start digging I guess.

TF: So… solutions not involving sea, burning, or smuggling trash in a war zone?

A potential solution appears to have been suggested in the link provided.

"The Lebanese government on Saturday approved a plan to solve a seven-month garbage crisis that has fuelled protests against the dysfunctional state and raised concerns for public health.

Two landfills will be established near Beirut, and a third one south of the city will be reopened for two months to receive trash that has piled up since July, Information Minister Ramzi Jreij said after the cabinet meeting…"

Perhaps your testing to see who reads you’re links?
Perhaps your joking?

Should of read the link better. The plan on shipping to Russia was stopped, because Russia hadn’t agreed to it. This suggests they we’re just gonna do some sea dumping… which results in needles and trash ending up on some beach.

The landfills are temporary, and legally aren’t bonafide landfills, and are expected to be cleared out once a solution is found. They are shoving it in such places out of desperation. Reason why they are making such claims about such places:

My Assumptions:

  1. Most states of Eminent Domain, so I doubt it is a private property issue.

  2. Landfills are scientifically isolated from contaminating water tables humans and agriculture use, and designed to reduce disease exposure.

  3. Agriculture Land is at a premium in the Levant… more rain then say, Saudi Arabia, buyt you don’t waste it either.

  4. Likely obscenely close to a residential area, and the wind direction, smell, birds, rats, and bored and curious children don’t explore.

  5. Not all is nearly as good in Lebanon as Deeryloo thinks, as he utterly fails to contemplate why a French News Channel would report this story in it’s International News Section in English is Lebanon wasn’t having a crisis. Its not a story of how swell it is in Lebanon, and how well they have this issue under control, but of a social and environmental issue utterly broken without a clear path forward. This is scarier, given it was a middle eastern news link, and had to displace a story on the wars in Syria, or Iraq, or Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya… they thought it was that fuckijg important.

Since it really is that important, it is deserving of a topic on www.Ilovephilosophy.com in the social sciences section. Why? Cause not all is well.

Lebanon is essentially acting as a modern, liberal government here, at a end stage of our current, near universal trash disposal problem. A couple decades back, needles and biohazard bags would wash up on shore of New Jersey… people became aware stuff dumped into the sea didn’t always stay down.

So where does New Jersey dump? Here… where I live. We live in the Appalachian Plateau… it’s geography produces fairly isolated hills once exposed to strip mining for coal and clay, that are a mile or few wide, and a dozen miles long, with deep vallels between… the top of the hills and valleys are flat, hills very steep. They don’t mingle their water supply till creek level, and nobody has farmed in these creekbeds since the colonial era (why, I dunno why, just seems the universal rule on the west Virginia side of the river).

So New Jersey pays to dump it, we use the same dumps, nobody usually can smell it, as the wind hits the top of a very high up hill surrounded by farmland (isolated water table).

End result is… a win win. Our dumps practice decompisting and overturning of trash levels to purify the hydro best they can, isolate recyclibles, and encourage tthe sun to break down foodstuff. If food doesnt have access to air and sun, it doesnt decompose.

Lebanon isnt third eorld poor, but at the same time, isnt a first workd country either. Its goung to be very difficult to get any country to voluntarily take its trash at a scale it can afford, and the first few years will be very intense… all those landfills Derlydoo you so blibkingly well accepted as a solution, have to be rapidly cleared… the country is already 7 months backlogged… a whole country, 7 minths backed up… needed its shit dumped.

It is very desperatw, iys state mechanism is behaving like a modern liberal western democracy, but no solution in sight.

So realistically… its gonna have to accept sea dumping… meaning Greece and Italy wont have economic migrants half starved on their beaches as theur main oroblem anymore… foreign, contaminated trash will be.

Likewise… they may have to accept the Iraqi practice of landfills on street intersections, in high population areas, with no effective barriers, everyone walks over, dumps their shit in plain view, periodically light it on fire as the fumes and birds circle over. People think global warming, but my concerns isn’t the global warming hoax, but rather the nasty effects of breathing in those low level toxins and vermin. Its deeply unhealthy, and is a real, immediate concern, unlike glaciers in Greenland melting centuries from now through scientific stretches of the imagination through wobbly math.

Only country poor and irresponsible enough, and so desperate to employ it’s workers at any pay, is Syria. It is a war zone, Assad doesn’t give a fuck. This isn’t a good long term scenario.

Russia is currently in a state of war in the black sea region. Turkey will not take kindly to Lebanese barges that are opentopped traveling through Istanbul, but even if it gets it Trash through closed barges, without Turkey changing treaty rights of trash barges entering it’s waters, Lebanon is left hitting the area South East of Ukraine… it’s Sochi territory, good for agriculture, prone to insurgency, is also Russia’s top tourist destination for it’s own population after Moscow with it’s temperate climate. Its not gonna ship the trash to Siberia, but dump it nearby. IF it takes it at all. Which I doubt, as Lebanon can’t pay.

So the ships go out with the trash, a couple of Russians are paid off, saying it’s being dumped, but isn’t. Where does it get dumped? Black Sea, or off Greece?

These barges can’t:

  1. return haul goods for sale in Lebanon or other new by ports. They are contaminated.

  2. must reside at sea long enough to appear to of journeyed to Russia and back, can’t hide a fleet of trash barges at some port nearby, someone will notice, especially Turkey… Erdogan will be deeply suspicious by default

  3. Militants from Russia, if they do go to the black sea region, can link up with militants in Russia, and transport troops and weapons, including transports, back under unglamourous conditions to Hezbollah and ISIS, Al Nursa Front

Learn to read articles critically Derlydoo.

The big question is, how does a state handle it’s trash problems without resorting to shipping it overseas?

Digging a hole was brought up. Notice even a massive country like the US can’t even dispose of its nuclear waste, given the opposition to dumping it anywhere in sealed facilities deep underground. Normal trash isn’t that bad, but it will never decompose. Sun + air, regularly overturning it us needed… exposure to rain… so decay sets in.

The breakdown of trash has benifirs, methane, which can be harvested, is produced, takes 20-30 years for landfills to do this.

Likewise, any deep hole solution requires digging… a deep hole. Either isolated from the water table, or concreted. This is a considerable investment, and requires more holes to be dug, repeatedly, in the future. Liberal democracies are great for oversight, but the ability to restrict actions for being out of regulation leads to massive backups like in Lebanon… it rakes awhile to find and prepare even normal landfills, and a small, high density country will have increasingly fewer sites.

End result is disasters like this, as money and political will to dig a new hole won’t always be perioridically available, much less to dig a new hole.

I think we need to build rockets and start dumping trash on the moon as a giant circulating landfill…

Maybe Tunisia will lease them land for a landfill? Or Egypt?

Egypt… maybe. Tunesia… I doubt it.

Egypt has some major construction going on, they are building a new megacity, swallowing up trash in now designated landfills isolated from water period is a piece of cake.

Tunesia… I just don’t see them agreeing to such a thing.