… but before you die… when you’re really old and falling apart… be sure to tell the Canadian hospital that takes care of you at drastically reduced prices if not for free… how much you despise socialism. It’ll be the final irony in your pathetic life.
… and you don’t ‘live on’ through your son, dipshit. When you die, it’s curtains for ya. Grow up already.
Just hang on, ILP… he’s comin. That hamster in his head is running a marathon at this very moment. Just give him a minute and prepare for a wall of text.
I tend to be agnostic when it comes to these sorts of metaphysical problems, determinism/freewill, atomism/affectivity.
I agree we’ve never ran into anything like an atom, in the metaphysical sense of the word atom, a thing that can’t be broken down into smaller things, or energies, but perhaps it’s logically necessary for them to be there, for the cosmos to be mathematical.
Can that which’s not essentially mathematical possibly exist?
Can things/energies really be broken down into smaller things/energies ad infinitum?
Is that workable?
Metaphysics use to be much more interesting to me when I first began delving into philosophy, now I’m much more interested in society, politics, conspiracies and undermining scientism-technocracy.
Agnostic means uncertain.
I am also.
All is about probabilities.
What is more probable than not?
What is more probable when compared to another possibility.
Infinite regress is how the mind deals with its own binary absolutism.
There are no “thigs”. Things are mental constructs, abstractions …the way the mind interprets patterns.
The mind must freeze the dynamic, like a snapshot. In math it is binary - 1/0.
Infinite divisibility is how the mind deals with fluid space/time. How it deals with the dissonance between its static abstractions representing fluctuating existence.
Laws are manmade ways of recognizing the pattern underlying all perceptible patterns.
No absolutes means, no certainty all is a matter of probability. No completeness, no finality/telos, no end, to perfection.
Higher/lower, superior/inferior.
This is what leftists hate…the inequality. The injustices of this fact.
Nihilists make uncertainty into a certainty, the only certainty.
They convert skepticism into an excuse to dismiss anything they don’t like, while pretending to be thinkers.
As with genes, so with memes.
Perspectives are competing over which one is more precise, better, more effective.
All value judgments - including moral values - require a subject, an object/objective and an evaluation of the effort/distance between them.
The subject must first establish if its objective is real, that it is attainable. Many intentionally create and project unattainable, unrealistic, fantastical objectives…for various psychological reasons.
Then the subject must evaluate itself in relation to its objective, without over-under-estimating itself.
This will then establish the subject’s evaluation of the effort/distance/work/energy required for the subject to attain its objective.
It must be able of adjusting its judgements as it moves towards the objective because existence is dynamic - fluid - and it has certainly misjudged itself and its objective.
Triangulations.
Adjust, move and make adjustments on the way.
The psychological reasons why subject intentionally defines its objectives out of existence, vary.
One is so as to construct an excuse for not doing anything, or for failing.
Like those who have defined “free” and “will” supernaturally, or absolutely, placing it outside the realm of the probable.
They do the same with words referring to concepts like “god” or “masculine/feminine” or “value” or “morality”.
Self-deceit is self-comforting.
The evolution of western philosophy is interesting.
I’m by no means an expert, but have studied it in passing.
The Greeks came up with many different ideas about how metaphysics, ethics and so on could work.
Then you have philosophers championing different Greeks throughout much of subsequent western philosophy, being inspired by, and attempting to develop their ideas in various directions, in some cases Christianizing them, in others attempting to reconcile their insights with the insights of science.
With Saint Augustine Plato became all the rage, with Thomas Aquinas Aristotle.
During the Renaissance there was a bit of a return to Plato, and a newfound access to and interest in others, the Pre-Socratics, Epicurus, Cynics, Skeptics and Stoics.
During the enlightenment, many philosophers took up the ideas of Democritus, Epicurus and further developed them, believing they’d be most compatible with the new science that was emerging.
You could say the modern age, especially in the Anglosphere, is still loosely grounded in Epicurean insights, in metaphysics, ethics and so on, the triumph of atomic deterministic materialism and egoistic hedonism.
But some alternatives to the supremacy of Epicureanism arrived in the 19th century along with 20th century postmodern cynicism and skepticism, among them the ideas of Schopenhauer, Stirner and Nietzsche.
Schopenhauer’s metaphysics was partly rooted in Hindu, Daoist and especially Buddhist insights, with its emphasis on impermanence, affectivity/energy as opposed to atomism, altho these eastern philosophies took a more Dionysian approach to dealing with affectivity/energy.
Nietzsche was influenced by Schopenhauer and thought he was picking up where Heraclitus left off.
Through Nietzsche Heraclitus with his dialectical monism and fire/affectivity/energy inspired many existentialist philosophers.
You could say this emphasis on affectivity/energy has always been there, or throughout much of western philosophy, as an alternative current to the more mainstream currents of Plato, Aristotle and Democritus-Epicurus.
Perhaps one day Heraclitus (and his more pessimistic pupil Cratylus) will supplant the Epicurean current.
Who knows how western philosophy will continue to develop, news ideas could come to the fore, perhaps spurred by new insights in the burgeoning sciences of Ai, Biometrics, Cybernetics and gene editing, undermining the supremacy of Epicurus in all sorts of ways impossible to predict.
Primary concern is to rescue man from the mental disease infecting him…disconnecting him from reality through language.
Like many specimens, see polishyouth above…he’s back for vengeance…he’s back with a vengeance.
Who cares?
Ad homs all the way down. No substance only psychological turmoil. All negation. All nil…all disoriented pathos. Libidinal excess, purging themselves through rage.
Patterns.
Back to reality…
The mental dis-ease causes zombification.
Disconnection from reality, insatiable hunger, individualism ironically acting as a unit…see how zombies are portrayed and study how parasites cause zombification in nature.
Here we have a meme-based version, using language not to connect but to disconnect - exploiting man’s anxiety and his emerging self-awarfness.
The sensation is pleasant because reality is experienced as need/suffering so anything that offers relief is experienced as pleasing.
I used to be a fan of Schopenhauer…still am.
His solution is what I don’t like.
His Buddhist asceticism.
Not what the Hellenes had in mind. Asceticism as an end not as a means.
And now, after that brief interlude of sobriety, back to the infantile madness of fun and games.
Let the herd gather for the feast.
Let them all come.
One at a time or altogether.
Cause…effect.
I came…they went ballistic…a wolf is in the midst of the bovine herd…gather, create a front…horns out, snort…and toro!!!
This is going to be a fun month.
“your tactic is a typical defensive passive-agressive nerd game…insult, provoke then ignore and then point a finger and say…aaahhhh, you see!!this man is a raging maniac!!!”
Lol hahahahah holy shit that’s exactly what she does! You just hit the bullseye with that one son. You sure you don’t have a degree in psychology? Fuck that was good.
“Chaos is necessary, without it the SINGULARITY collapses…” 
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What happened to ‘Existence just is?’
You’re welcome!
Existence just is…and it is like this.
We see choice being made, we experience choices we make, and ewe cannot deny that choice is illusory, or that it was determined and that here was really no choice because the choice made could not have been not made.
“Chaos is necessary” for choice to have meaning, otherwise man is but a stone…and existence a farce, a comedy/tragedy…and nothing is selected because the selection was inevitable, fated.
Get it?
But yes, chaos is the weakest part of my argument because of its nature.
Without it our existence, like I said, is a farce.
Randomness is what makes consciousness necessary, because consciousness becomes an efficient way replacing trial/error where an organism with bad gens dies and the one fortunate enough to have a mutation or a combination that can deal with an unforeseen circumstance survives.
Consciousness makes adjustments in real time possible, so that an organism can usurp its genetic impulses and adjust its choices to a novel circumstance.
You are using the idea I introduced. Why act as if I am discussing something else?
Intelligence in a conscious eternal form created the rest of “it just is.”
I knew you two would hit it off…and shjit-stain will be with you…and iamretarded…and ecmandu…and all the magical creatures on ILP.
A sex offender and a raging maniac.
In common?
An inability to self-regulate.
Impulsive.
Anti-social.
A Christian apologist and a Marxist…how perfect is that.
Natalie?
That was the girl, right Brian?
Do you even know what happened?
Nope…she wanted to come up here and live with me…and I said no, 'cause I knew there was something off about her, and it wasn’t only because she was with you, but that as well as her paranoid claims that someone was watching her, that cars and helicopters were passing by her Florida home, watching…or when demons began to visit her at night.
Then I had to do a cost/benefit analysis and wonder if pussy was worth the trouble…or this amount of trouble.
You, of course, was comfortably in jail enjoying Leroy’s sausage and wowing the inmates with your wit and knowledge.
Then she hooked up with Nicolas…who is nowhere to be found.
But she’s around.
2007
I bought my car…the one I still have. Toyota. They last.
I purchased a home the year before, and I had a mortgage.
My son was born later that year…and I was married.
So I had more important shit to think about other than a few insane Americans and their on-line dramatics.
But if you think you won something precious and I lost…okay.
She was cute…but no pussy is worth jail time…nor headaches. Not when it has psychological issues.
And what did you do with your “victory”?
What do you have to show for it?
Ha…you pathetic nitwit…my son is living with me. He has been for 3 years…left his mothers to come and live with me. Go figure.
He’s here right now.
You gossipy slut. You sad man-child.
Will you ever have a child?
Remember the attacks on those who will be forty and alone…that’s you. You’ve been diagnosing your own self. Describing yourself. Attacking yourself…you are the bully.
Superhero for the meek!!! Defender of weaklings.
Were you bullied in school…you must have. You can’t stop talking about it. Like you can’t stop talking about how others will never get married or have children…
So important to you…and you probably will never have it, whereas others throw it away.
This is typical of simpletons.
A morsel.
You will follow me around this forum for the entire month. Begging for me to toss you another morsel.
Waiting…nipping…slobbering, making friends where once you could not make.
Again and again your judgement fails you, Satyr.
I am not Natalie. Nicholas and I were a couple, but that is the only thing about me you have right.
Never said you were Natalie…only that Natalie is around.
Did you give yourself away, dear?
What does it matter if you are Natalie?
You also take medications; you also were with Nicolas.
Nicolas and medications…some kind of connection there.
And Brian…of course…and me, of course.
Drama.
It’s why ILP has lasted.
Wendy don’t act like you understand any of this. My advice is to read Wittgenstein and then burn all your philosophy books.
End times…end of philosophy…the Last Man has spoken.
After his death…all will end.
Will to Death.
Will to Powerlessness.
Will to God.
Power of Nil.
The new name for god.
He comes here to laugh at those that don’t see how meaningless their lives are.