Let it be!

[Nick_A]

Tentative

And what if Plato got it wrong? What if he got it only partly right? And how does Plato’s observations invalidate the other great thinkers of the same epoch? And just who is demanding ‘empirical knowledge as the standard of intelligence’? Your attempt to funnel all understanding through the writings of Plato may fit your needs, but there are other points of view equally valid in the appraisal of the human condition. You seem to deny and dismiss this.

To the contrary, I’m the one inviting discussion. It was me striving to provide a safe haven for just such discussion.

I find it amusing that I spend the majority of my posting in religion talking about our inability to ‘know’ the metaphysical, or pointing out the inadequacy of language, and yet you call that ‘wonderfulness’? That you deny the validity of any viewpoint other than your own is what brings the resistance and resentment. It has nothing to do with the writings of Plato or Weil.

Again missing the point entirely. it is not a matter of denying other viewpoints but the necessity to consider them beyond the secular and mundane. This human condition of ignorance is not to be celebrated and basked in but a sign of a collective chaotic psych that is not necessary and only results in horrors completely unnatural for the word “Man.” It is only through the gradual acceptance of a perverted psych that we’ve collectively come to be accepting of obvious absurdities. I believe in the transcendent unity of all the great traditions which means that at our level we’re all misguided. Both Plato and Simone assert the same in the Cave Analogy. This is what is insulting. I believe it and am the messenger of a message you find repulsive. But it is philosophy.

I find it strange that others can discuss Plato without the polarization you seem to need to bolster your martyrdom. You can’t insult a philosophy site, but you can alienate all around you in your dismissal of any POV but your own.

That is because I discuss it from the esoteric rather than secular point of view. Find me another thread on the Cave Analogy from the esoteric point of view and you’ll read righteous indignation as predicted by Plato in the analogy.

Think for a moment: if one person is alienated by what another says, is it more a reflection on the speaker or listener? Frankly I would dislike being known as one who is nasty to another’s opinion. Show me one post where I’ve been nasty. I can find many where you are openly nasty.

[aspacia]

Hi Bob,

As I read you tale I simultaneously thought of the robin in the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and “A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” – Herm Albright

We all generally have faith in something, it may not be God, as you know God, but it usually has another form.

Keep you faith as it gives you comfort. The bombast that was so very rude had zero to cling to except regarding your chosen belief. Why on earth did he take the time to bother you and your kit and kin? He needed to believe he was right.

You and your family’s quiet refute of his arrogance did more than you probably will ever know.

[Bob]

Hello Aspacia,

You and your family’s quiet refute of his arrogance did more than you probably will ever know.

It would be nice if it did have this effect. It seemed to be worth the while talking about.

Thank you for your words.

Shalom