Liberal positions on race and ethnicity is retarded

“Why are people like Nick Fuentes popular?”

It’s because liberals refuse to publicly accept and admit that white people exist having a real cultural identity.

The entire belief system of liberals is that good white people sacrifice themselves, their nation, and their future so that third worldism of other ethnicities takes over the entire west. That’s the entire liberal dogma

We could have a functioning multiracial or multiethnic society if we allow white Europeans to have a cultural identity also but liberals will never allow that because all of them have a kill whitey ideological belief system.

I am not a supporter of Fuentes and it is a Marxist who made this thread.

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It’s ironic.

Nick Fuentes is what got me banned from KTS forum. Because @Apoasha is some type of vengeful Irish Protestant, who obviously has familial history with that betrayal (between Irish Prots and Irish Catholics). I don’t know the back story, don’t care to know… the irony shines though when Satyr gets to post videos and I don’t. Weird, the rules don’t apply to him, but to me? I don’t blame Ape-o though. He, like most backward NW Europeans, are late to the party of Hellenic Philosophy and history. I can empathize with that, having a bunch of backward Pollock ancestors.

Anyway, oh yes, Nick Fuentes and Liberalism…. what’s this say about our sorry State, today?

It means that Liberal-Leftism is regressing rapidly, losing power. They can no longer contain their Antithesis in the flesh. It’s NOT ironic, though, that a Roman Catholic is rising to power, that Liberal-Leftists help to create (Imperialism). It should be obvious, that those who benefit most from an Imperialistic society, will be the ones who inherit the genes that originally created such systems.

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@RealUn

In the west we could have a multiracial and multiethnic society if we publicly allowed or endorsed a white European racial cultural identity equal to all others. Liberals don’t want that because their entire political cultural ideology is the antithesis of whiteness which they believe should be annihilated or stomped out in every sort of way.

In the west any multiracial or multiethnic proclivity that excludes white identity is doomed to failure. Liberals refuse to see that and it seems they’ll never acknowledge this mistake or error either.

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That is the “hill they’ll die on” though… they hate white-males. To the Far Leftists, as you’ve surely seen yourself, you have to be a gay-homo mix-racer (with black women, not asian women), in order to “earn forgiveness” from the Leftist cult. You have to bend backward to BLM. You have to Kneel. You have to virtue-signal and purity-spiral.

In fact, this is why I don’t know how you can stick to Cultural Marxism moving forward. It contradicts your own Conservative values, as a white-male. How do you believe they are going to ‘forgive’ your Socialist inclinations moving forward?

To repeat the point, I believe they will fight and die, with mass violence moving forward, to retain their ideology in face of an economically collapsing society (and then militarily collapsing).

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@RealUn

For me liberalism is the perversion of Marxist cultural values, that’s where I differentiate.

Marxism isn’t the problem, liberalism is.

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Because Liberals won’t treat white-males “equally”, correct?

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For me the problems of liberalism is numerous:

Liberals are capitalists just like their conservative counterparts. Even lite liberal socialism by any Marxist standard is weak and doesn’t go far enough.

Anti-whiteness and racial or ethnic redistribution ideologies are absurd.

Radical feminism is not making society any better at all, quite the opposite. Feminism itself is a female bourgeois absurdity.

Modern liberalism is essentially corporate Trotskyism with a capitalist face, as a Stalinist or Maoist who favors nationalism I disapprove of that.

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15 posts were split to a new topic: Split from “Liberal Positions on Race and Ethnicity…”

What you are experiencing is the after effects of an over-accelerated integration under the wrong circumstances of an alien culture into another to serve the machinations of capitalism and imperialism. And now the west must eat that mistake. All this racism stuff… even if it were true… wouldn’t matter in a properly integrated and functioning society. You could be as irritated as you ever were by that Abbey CNN angry offended black woman anchor, but it would be in an entirely different context. Her anger would have to be something legit, actually about something, not some stupid awkward stand-offishness a female member of a minority group that was once slaves would have.

The enduring conflict between the races is a direct result of an immigration cram conducted under duress.

There was enough time to correct the world ideologies that espoused racist beliefs (theological and secular nationalism) because Marx and Big Engs showed up in the nick of time and smashed all that nonsense with historical materialism. But naw. Nobody wanted to hear it and now here you are. Some grotesque deformity of a society where everybody is afraid of or hates each other and is tryna get em to work for em.

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Immigration:

Could of paid domestic workers adequate wages to have families of their own thus making the demographic population deaths and births ratio nationwide stable, but no we couldn’t do that where now we import foreign slaves who will work for cheaper while making the original inhabitants ethnic minorities in their own nations.

Radical feminism:

Could of had a healthier society where a majority of men could afford wives, houses, and families of their own, but no we instead implemented radical feminism with a post modern imposed eugenics notion that only the wealthy should reproduce having families where the vast majority of men become poor sterile sexual celibates.

Society overall:

Could of had a socialist/communist economic system championing human rights and equality, instead we have a hyper materialistic culture revolving around extreme capitalism where your entire standing in society revolves around your monetary input.

And this is why western civilization is on the verge of collapse. Several decades of really bad choices with long standing consequences. :clown_face:

I’ll always disagree with the collapse theory. A major reduction in population or a radical new style of government (locally or globally), sure, but never a Mad Max Thunderdome world. Too much tech and military might is available now to prevent it. The worst it’ll ever get is something like a nutriloaf 1984 world of numbered jumpsuits where people can hear old CDs of Tangerine Dream in the public library on time off under the watchful glass eyes of law enforcement robots patrolling the complex.

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@promethean75

It would only be a collapse of a select number of nations followed by years of social political revolution that could last for several decades. It will be the west that collapses, the east will do just fine in our absence.

The only way we would have global collapse would be the collapse of the entire global economic system, which in my mind is still a possibility. If I had to take a guess such a collapse will be heavily restricted to western nations only including the United States.

Although, there is also prospects for World War III which would also grind the entire world to a halt.
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I say…only one species in the universe is exempt from natural selection.

Why?

Simply because midwits desperately want to believe it is so.

Trade created the species and human phenotypes…..which are entirely physical.

Evolution, for man, begins 6 thousand years ago…around when trade begins….as it is written in Scripture.
Marxism is secular Christianity…..

If not God’s will then man’s collective will is the culprit.

Will man redeem himself? Only through the little red book - communist manifesto.

Uniformity, parity, equity,…..no more races sexes….only love and justice.

It has been written….I mean, Determined…..

Let us prey….or shall we pray?

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@Kallikantzaros

Except if anybody actually reads Karl Marx he only spoke out against the slavery of African Americans.

There is nothing in the writings of Marx that supports unlimited foreign immigration into western nations, radical feminism, or the concept that white Caucasian Europeans should have no cultural identities of their own. All of that are liberal insanities formed after World War II from the 1960s onwards.

If we look at the Soviet Union paternalism was the norm, the Russian Soviet actually supported having strong families under marriage where a majority of men could afford to have wives of their own. Strong male proletariat culture was the norm since having a strong working class required men to labor.

Moreover, unlimited foreign immigration in Soviet Russia was unheard of.

And while Soviet Russia was very communist or Marxist Russian cultural identity was paramount everywhere. With this, who had it more better? The Russian Soviet, or the now modern capitalistic liberal west? I know what I would choose.

Once again, these things you and neoconservatives constantly complain about are liberal conventions, not Marxist ones.

It amazes me how the two are confused given political history.

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I believe you, like myself, were misled early in life on the Liberal-Left agenda. They pose as a party and ideology of “All-Inclusivity”, helping the little man, social benefits, public healthcare, socialist policies, blah blah blah blah. Their rise in power corresponds directly with the rise in power of European Jewry who escaped Hitler and Stalin, re-settled in the US, and then slowly occupied, then completely took over, the US public education system. They dominated Hollywood, and created this immense change in US policy, society, and culture.

The ideal was to expanding US voting-blocs into the black and white female populations, extending the ‘Democrat’ party and Leftist policies in general. It wasn’t that long ago when females couldn’t vote in the US, Jews and minorities were barred from Harvard, Yale, WASP golf clubs, basketball-americans had no political or cultural power. All of that change very rapidly, very quickly, since the 1960s.

In general it is called the “Open Society”, created by the uber-rich, uber-wealthy, International-Globalists, to create more sophisticated slave systems, which integrate the entire world’s poor, not just the West’s poor and discarded. Hence… open-border policies, mass floods of immigrations, of the turd-world to the first world, and numerous other global social changes.

It is easy to be fooled by these, for the uninitiated, for the average man, woman, and child. But Philosophy ought to put anybody on the course to dismantling and deconstructing all these systems.

The White “Leftist-Liberal” WASPs never truly intended to ‘accept’ poor, stupid, colored peoples into their Elite systems. They have to buy in at prices they can’t really afford. They need to serve lackey, in Service, as Servants, to the uber-wealthy whites and jews. Jews themselves, want non-Jew ‘Goys’ to serve them in a similar fashion. These factions are all in on-going battles, not only in the US, but across the world.

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@RealUn

Under Clinton and later Obama I went from upper middle class to being a homeless begging pauper living on the streets.

It has only been in recent years I have regained the rank of lower middle class living in the suburbs now.

And yes, in those early years I experienced a lot of racism for being a white male which is why despite being Marxist and a communist I am no stranger to the anti whiteness ideology. I was there when women under radical feminism lost their collective minds and I was there when their crusade against white men began to take shape. I have lived all throughout the 1990s up until now seeing all the absurd political transformations of this nation by the usual suspects.

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Remarkably culturally illiterate take.

On the one hand, white people have plenty of cultural identities. St. Patrick’s Day parades, Oktoberfest, Columbus Day festivities, various cities with a ‘Little Italy’. We have lots of very public celebrations of lots of different white diasporas, those white people feel pride in their heritage and no one gives them any guff for it (…OK not no one, Columbus has fallen out of favor, but Italians get plenty of cultural recognition elsewhere).

On the other hand, ‘white people’ qua ‘white people’ don’t have a real cultural identity. There isn’t a white culture to celebrate. And that’s related to the first point: white cultures have mostly come to modern world intact, so instead of white culture we have Irish culture, German culture, Italian culture, etc.

You’re confused because maybe you think, “but black people get a culture!” And they do, because their ancestral cultures typically did not survive into the modern world, cultural memory having been lost in the destruction of families that was caused by slavery. The vast majority of black people in the US are descended from slaves, so even though their ancestors were enslaved from different cultures in Africa, those cultures were intentionally destroyed by the slave trade, and now there is an actual common shared heritage that unites the vast majority of black Americans in ways that the vast majority of white Americans are not united. (And note that descendants of more recent black immigrants often don’t consider themselves as part of that culture, and vis

At the time of slavery, white Americans would not have considered themselves as part of the culture, any more than modern Germans and modern Irish would consider themselves the same culture. Their descendants inherited their cultures from their families and communities, which remained sufficiently intact to preserve their ancestral cultures.

But culture is messy, so I’ll give you that there are white people who lost their cultural connection along the way, or feel that they did. I don’t know what proportion of white people in the US feel that way, but it’s not zero, and there is a nascent culture there, though more recent and less unified than black culture. And it isn’t defined by whiteness in the way that black culture really is defined by blackness, because the unifying filter of slavery really was defined by blackness, whereas the unifying feature of this American non-ethnic-Whiteness was something more diffuse and attenuated, and largely only realized in the past few decades in reaction to the public recognition of other cultures and the feeling of being culture-less (which, again, is not shared by a lot of white people).

But if the liberal position on race and ethnicity does not pay much attention to that culture, it’s because it’s more concerned with being pluralist, ecumenical, inclusive. The liberal position was to include other cultures, to talk about other cultures. If it did not talk about mainstream American culture, it’s because that culture was not other, that is the culture in which other cultures are being recognized.

You’re channeling O’Reilly’s War On Christmas boogeyman when you claim that liberal approaches to race and culture were primarily about suppressing whiteness as a race or a culture. It’s not a description of the world, it’s propaganda promulgated to shape politics. Now, sadly, that resentment has become a part of some American’s culture. But that isn’t a white culture either.

Your life is contingent, don’t generalize too much from it. You could have made different choices and stayed upper middle class.

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@Carleas

Can definitely tell who here is upper class, that smug arrogance of the upper crust of society I can smell a mile away.

“You’re simply poor, miserable, and suffering because you allowed yourself to be. You deserve everything you bring upon yourself. You bring it upon yourselves.”

For some reason all of you have the same mental sentimentalities like it has been trained and ingrained in you, makes sense since the upper class is filled in ranks with primarily obedient conformist types of people. Conforming obedience is afterall rewarded with the splendors of wealth and privilege.

Will respond to your overall points soon enough before the day is over. :clown_face:

I am upper class because I’m ‘educated’, and education in the US means passing through years and years of tests of whether you can imitate a certain style of writing and thought. Along the way, yes, it becomes ingrained.

But I don’t think it’s obedience that’s rewarded. People are rewarded for knowing the rules, not necessarily for following them.

In any case, it doesn’t take class or education to notice when someone is where they are because of their own choices, and yet they are blaming anyone but themselves for it. I don’t deny structural barriers, but you can’t generalize to them from individual experience.

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@Carleas

You’re not the first wealthy person of this nation I have bumped shoulders with, I am familiar entirely with the economic classist eugenic forms of thinking you all covet so much in embracing along with your notions of higher education.

I know how you conduct yourselves publicly and privately where you think so low of us lower ranking peasants, paupers, and yeomen.

The cheap excuse mentality that the suffering lower masses of people experience bring it upon themselves and therefore deserve or merit their suffering. A cheap cop out and nothing else.

You don’t fool me with such drivel, I have heard these countless mental platitudes my entire life from the likes of people like yourself. As far as you’re concerned, the rest of us are merely sacrificial pawns in the wealthy man’s game, not actual human lives.

Because of that sentimentality is why we’re in the mess of the world that we have today.

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