Liberia today

youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

This video makes me think allot less of the black races.

How do you know that white people wouldn’t do the same thing in the same circumstances?

Whites and blacks have a very different culture and history.
Saying we would do the same in their shoes is not really a good idea. We are not the same.

Well we’ve done tons of horrible shit.

I don’t watch youtube because of a slow connection, would you mind summarize quickly what’s on the video?

It has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with knowledge. People that were born and raised in slavery were put in charge or just dumped into an unknown. They act and react as they were taught and still do.

The summary is that liberians are ridden with aids, drugs, rape, killing each other and eating each other.
The country is a hell hole right now. They had a bunch of civil wars.

Just because something bad happens to me, doesn’t mean I have to, or always will do that to other people, and then blame the person who did bad things to me.

Freeing slaves doesn’t automatically equate to slaves enslaving other people. We can’t always blame the colonialists. Especially not now. It’s been years.

Dan~, you don’t know how you would behave if you had been so deeply exposed and taught only brutish behavior. You cannot with honesty say you would behave in civilized ways.
That country was built on brutality and pain. The freed slaves treated the natives the same or worse then how they were treated, they were taught that humans are not equal that there are subhumans. This was ingrained and passed on to future generations. Again color of skin has nothing to do with this, it is knowledge that causes this.

Yeah dan, you’re assuming that you’ve been taught anything other than brutality and that you therefore have a choice of what to do that includes something not horrible.

That’s allot like saying someone who got sexually abused always becomes a sexual predator when they grow up and it is not their fault.
If you experience being a slave, you realize it’s bad, and don’t want to repeat that behavior.
People who have been slaves then are freed and enslave others with their freedom, those people are hypocrits.

It’s alot like that. But it’s more like, if a person grew up submerged in a culture where sexual abuse was the norm, then normally they’d become a sexual abuser.

You don’t think that white people raped and murdered millions of people here just a couple hundred years ago?

I’m not a professional with history. I wont pretend to be. But I don’t think you are either.

I’m aware of the problems in many African countries, I don’t know enough about them and the problem in countries elsewhere to think that it goes to show anything towards a difference in quality among races. I would suggest looking at all the statistics you can get a hold of and combining that with personal experience before making any such judgments. Altogether I have very little basis from the statistic I know and trust and experience to see any differences in quality worth mentioning, but that may be more due to ignorance than anything.

If you want to a more far more solid basis for considering their to be significant differences among races, then research climate change and how it effects evolution.

It takes a small population for fast evolution to happen. Human evolution was drastic in the last 200,000 years. For it to happen at such a rate would imply one of two things. Either that in each major stage the total human population had been dramatically reduced or one part of the human population had been dramatically reduced and isolated from the rest for a long period of time. If the latter, they would then have had to eventually emerge from isolation, such as during a warming period, if previously stuck above an ice belt, and then subsume the rest of the population due to conquest and interbreeding.

If that was the case, then it’s possible that the last stage of evolution happened only 10-15 thousands years ago, and therefore that small population would have been far from able to fully immerse itself with the rest of the population.

I don’t think it takes a historian to know that white people killed a shit load of native americans and that people in certain places in africa have grown up submerged in a culture of violence. Plus, there’s rape in every war. It’s not isolated to one group or another. And while I do suck somewhat at precise dates and timelines and all that, I have a history major along with my philosophy one. I don’t think that makes me an expert, or a professional, but the things I"m saying are pretty much common knowledge.

Also I don’t believe in darwinistic evolution.
There were many types of humans long ago before a huge war which took out allot of the people. The people were more diverse than the modern races. They were like the many breeds of dogs. There were all sorts of strange humanoids back then. And also aliens. I’m not going to claim that whites are more evolved than blacks, even though some racist groups consider themselves scientific because of that evolution nonsense. Instead, here’s how I see it: There are better and worse genes. The whites tend to be more christian-like today. More christian-like than modern black groups. That is how their culture and genes went.

It’s bad when whites kill indians, but it’s ok when indians kill indians. You also know how much that tribe shit fights with each other. They were assholes, and in many ways still are. But the liberals which teach us this and that only portray natives as victims of bad whites.

No one’s saying that native americans didn’t kill each other.

If anything, you’re furthering my point that it’s not a race issue at all and that it’s an issue of environment. Everyone kills and rapes everyone. Not just people in Liberia.

And it’s not even you, it’s your great-great-great-grandparents.

Let me put this as rationally as possible; There is obviously some amount of time that can go by, such that if Liberians are still behaving like animals, we have to stop blaming slavery. I.e., if this shit is still going on in a thousand years, saying it’s because they were slaves for a few decades in the 18th-19th century will be preposterous.

So, if we grant that there is some amount of time that can pass that makes that argument ridiculous, why isn’t the amount of time that has in fact passed adequate? It SEEMS adequate to me.

Ucc, the fact that is seems adequate to you makes me think that you underestimate the impact of slavery on a large group of people over an extended period of time.