information bisected at any point, produces quale/quality, it is the same in any instance [mind or device], and all informations are interchangeable.
There are therefore distinct classes which reality contains; information, quality and observers. Each are distinct but relative, their actions denoted by the actions of each party respectively. Where for example, the signal/s in a TV is bisected by 4096 pixels [on a 4k] and will always produce the respective qualities denoted by the information in that signal. Then the brain bisects electrical signals and produces the respective possibly photonic qualia, – if we consider that cells and neurons produce photons…
“Various groups have even shown that rats brains are literally alight thanks to the photons produced by neurons as they work”.
“But photons would also be absorbed by other stuff in the cell, liquids, membranes etc, and this ought to make cells opaque. So Rhanama and co hypothesise that microtubules can act as wave guides, channelling light from one part of a cell to another.
“They go on to suggest that the light channelled by microtubules can help to co-ordinate activities in different parts of the brain. It’s certainly true that electrical activity in the brain is synchronised over distances that cannot be easily explained”
“Most of this evidence comes from turning the lights off and counting the number of photons that cells produce. It turns out, much to many people’s surprise, that many cells, perhaps even most, emit light as they work”.
It seems we are connected to our bodies and indeed the world by light! Brain-in-a-vat theory must surely now bite the dust?
Not to mention that light is the universal constant and is essentially one thing. ergo we are connected to the universe!
“Since proteins are dynamical structures capable of performing all the cellular activities
essential for life and possess nanoscale dimensions (and therefore are governed by the
weird laws of quantum mechanics) it is tentative to speculate that mind is possibly linked
to subneuronal quantum coherent activities taking part in the neuronal cytoskeletons
inside the brain cortex.”
just to add that the brain does have function which works at the ‘weird’ quantum level. So it is more plausible that the mind is in superposition. If not then I think these guys would know what it is.
If our cells emit light…that means We are not our cells, We are not our Neurons, and We are not even the electrical waves inside our neurons…there is Cloud or Spirit Orb viewing the light emitted from our cells, we cannot be inside our cells looking at the light emitted from them…that’s not how light works, you need an eye for the light to converge into…
Also, it doesn’t disprove Brain in a Vat…since our Cloud is inside our brain it just sees whatever the brain thinks it does…
well it all clicked together, and like a child I get joy from that.
Light is communicating = connection. It is not just communicating inside the brain either, the light image your eyes see [as opposed to the image presented in the mind] is photonic, and communicates its values to the light in your brain [generally interacts with]. This then manifests a corresponding 3D light image based on that and the model the brain has set up. Ergo what we see is a copy of and includes info from the actual image we are seeing = brain is not in a vat.
I quite agree! I wouldn’t call it a ‘spirit orb’ [even though I think we have/are those], atm I only feel confident that mind is in metaposition or even superposition, and may still be a product of the physical parties, even if that doesn’t make sense. I use the term metaposition, because the observer is not observed in any physical attributes ~ as you say with light inside cells.
it is certain that the mind can read from all parties, so must surely be in metaposition to them all. as such can ‘make’ light move into superposition, then because all things[informations] are transferable it can turn any given info type into any other e.g. into light in superposition. that I assume is exactly what thought is! the mind is reading and connecting to all the info, spicifically from an external perspective…
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Yeah it is, dude, if we hooked up a computer to our visual input system we could trick our consciousness into thinking the Vr world was the real world.
Hold up. What are all the parties?
And what is a quantum metaposition? Google refuses to give me a definition of it.
You are saying that a replica set of info, would give the instrument the experience of its VR world, which it would but in degrees. To denote and most importantly corroborate the same experience, there would have to be photons from a 3D image going into the eyes etc, or the experience would be noticeably not the real world.
If you are talking about bisecting the electrical signals and hence the eyes themselves, of having a purely internal signal set, then the brain would register the loss of real photons interacting and communicating with it. This how we know the difference now.
They only have quantum superposition, I use the term metaposition because it is as yet unresolved as to whether or not the mind/observer is physical [I don’t think it is]. The ‘parties’ are the different kinds of physical information/energy types and behaviours. Like a record player is different to all the parties involved in the making of the music it is playing, and the sound itself.
Eyes are part of the brain system, so brain-in-vat still applies.
There isn’t necessarily any photon loss-going on, energies could simply dent the consciousness, then be reflected at the perfect angle. It might be too minute to measure.
We were trying to spare you the burden of even more silliness?
It isn’t easy to not absorb or disburse a light photon. It requires special materials void of any gaps or sharp angels up until the end point where it is to be absorbed so as to have affect. The human body doesn’t have much of such materials in the first place, but certainly not all perfectly aligned molecule by molecule and laid out in slow smooth bends.
Even fiber optic cables, made for the purpose, can’t get too small else they attenuate too much light signal. Realize that light photons are much, much larger than atoms and require considerable space between the atoms to tunnel and reflect. The slightest flaw in the inner surface of the material and the light gets scrambled, broken up, and absorbed. Such a thing could possibly still minimally work over a very, very short distance inside a brain, but … how did the light get in there?
Merely the length of a light photon is in hundreds of nano-meters. The width of an electron, although debated, has been called :
And the Lorentz calculation was:
…still a million times less than a nanomater which is hundreds of times smaller than a typical light photon; 700 nm for red - 700 times larger than a nanometer which is a million times larger than an electron.
…Gain some perspective.
That is because they are playing to the totally, totally ignorant.
That is very much true, but I will allow for the fact that an extremely, extremely small amount of radiant energy can go beyond the obvious boundaries.
But beyond what you are going to read in the daily tabloid sensationalism, a “photon” is a word that merely means “a small amount”. A light photon is much, much larger than a cosmic ray photon or any “virtual photon” spoken about in nuclear physics. A photon is not an actual particle, but merely an amount that could be any size. “Photon” is a “fudge”/“cheat” word used in Quantum Physics to feign that all things are quantized.
ok, irrespective of size, if the system is generating light and that is being used to communicate info, then we have an explanation for light ‘qualia’ or qualities in the brain. -which is the main thing here. I suspect there is a lot of photons going in and out of superposition, and assumedly that is a reduction to no size et al. however we won’t know that until there are instruments which can read that and inside the brain.
i think it is more reasonable to think of ‘colour qualia’ in terms of the physical, no?
