Limiting Cat to Human Childhood Feelings

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I just got a cat back from the vet… I didn’t really like it that much for the longest time, was the land ladies, always had feline herpes mucus dripping from its left eye, but it started insisting on staying at night with me in my room, or during the day.

Incredibly stupid cat… I train any animal I have for the highest intelligence possible, this one… I’ve given up all hope on. He leaped from a second story window once, pissing me off cause I thought he died when I couldn’t find him and saw the open window, but he lived.

He started walking funny the other day, covered in vomit in the hall. He was very cold to the touch, which isn’t unusual given I keep the place very cold (landlady doesn’t keep the house heat on anymore after I set up a array of electric heaters for her in her living room).

So… I figured he was just sick, needed yo be warm, so shoved him under my blankets. It didn’t seem to work, he kept getting weaker, so I closed the window, turned on the little heater I have to make certain the room warmed above freezing. Still nothing… colder. I put two heating pads on him, the air activated ones… colder… then blood started coming out of his mouth.

So we rushed him to the veterinarian after that, turns out he couldn’t pee, obstruction. I had something similar as a teen. I really never much cared for him much, but figured since he was so attached to me, always coming to me… and I could hear his scared voice crying every time I turned the electric drill on… he would run and cry to be let out. I kept hearing him say “Meep” “Meep” over and over again from that day with the drill… so I scronged up enough to pay the half upfront for his surgery.

He is now laying next to me. Now… I have ideas of childhood memories of just wanting to return to safety, snuggle up in a warm spot in my stinky blanket, and be taken care of, so I have been operating on that assumption. I’ve scratched his ears, done everything like we used to… he seems very content.

Problem is… though much smaller, cat brains aren’t too dissimilar to humans… similar architecture. They have personalities as we do… but what is the impulse to treat it as a child? I’m not substituting it as a human child, yet I impose upon him my childhood insecurities and longings upon him, and he is reacting exactly in response as I expect him too, despite it being a novel situation for both of us.

I know the roughly front right quarter of the mind governs this in humans, yet there has to be substantial differences… our brain is just way bigger. But a cat brain has 3 other quarters, like a human.

So I have a instinct to acting this way… probably a paternal instinct… dumped a massive amount on something that looks like a large rodent just as my job seems to be drying up… so it’s very risky… more than likely will not get all my equipment bought prior to being let go, which means I’ll be homeless again, but find it acceptable. He might of played on my paternal instinct enough to live, which is a impressive feat on it’s part, but at the same time I know it is just a giant rat, that keeps finding weird places to shit.

Why do I have the instinct to treat it in it’s current state of medical recovery in the manner I felt I needed as a child?

Why did I insist on keeping him alive just because I had lived through a similar medical situation and lived? He isn’t the first pet to nearly die on me, I’ve buried many.

We didn’t have a close relationship, he had a close relationship to me, not vice versa. I tolerated him. A lot of the other cats ignore me, and I flat out wouldn’t supply them with such currency to keep them alive.

Vet is threatening a sex change operation on him… male cats, once the start pushing stones, can’t always pass it from narrow tubes… so they turn the dick to a bag. I’m thinking of just shoving a coffee stirrer staw up into him and let him pee through that next time. If he has another issue in the next few months, I can’t afford to keep him alive, period. No way possible, all my savings just vanished over this.

I gotta go too… still can’t get up cause I don’t want to disturb the rat. My is it this one area of the mind I limit him too, why not the other areas. Cats are complex enough, they should have a wider receptive range… but I don’t.

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Do your best to keep him. Evidently, you need each other.
He’s another you. :mrgreen:
He would go anywhere with you.

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Cats are stupid, you should drown it.

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Medical industry is ran by corrupt jews, they circumcize babies against their consent, and they charge unreasonable prices. it shouldnt cost and arm an a leg to give a cat a sex change or bladder stones, for that matter. How do they get off to being paid 1,000 dollars for a few hours of labor!

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catchannel.com/cat-iq-test.aspx

My Yoda is far more intelligent than you are, mr.

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I dunno it catchannel.com is a reputable source of information.

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Don’t underestimate cats, they were once worshipped in Egypt, they are harbingers of sorts, they defy gravity when leaping, surviving even jumps out of the 9 th floor, as of record. Their natural elegance and independence are stunning, their trust is irrevocable, albeit at their of prescribed qualifications. They were once hurled out of high windows, fearing their demonic possession.

They are cool, reserved, and classic. Assigned jobs mean nothing to them, they will not bring you the morning paper, yet the purr in delight when entertained.

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Yoda loves it when I put my arms around him on the window sill and talk to him about that lone star in the early morning sky. I think it might be Jupiter. It’s so bright even for that time of morning.
He purrs like a dragon…not the star, I mean Yoda.

Yoda is a paradox completely dependent and attached to me at times and at others time completely independent – go back where you came from. lol

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My cat seems to have an IQ high enough to open the door when it is not locked, by prying the crack from the inside.

i wanted to set up a experiment if she can realize the lock/doorknob mechanism must be turned in order to open it, however the door only opens from the inside so I am not sure how to go about the experiment. There is, however, a door in the back that opens to the outside, so I will begin to start encouraging her to go to that door more in order to increase the odds of her success. However, the problem is that the handle is too smooth, and even if she correctly guesses the mechanism, she will soon lose interest after the door fails to respond to her command, and assume that her original hunch was incorrect.

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Maybe the hunch should factor in not really knowing the cat’s position, even inside the box. After all, everyone has to go outside at times, and during times like this, the cat may just sneak in. It’s a mistake to underestimate a smooth operating cat.

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I have no cat doors, i am talking about regular doors. she has to unlock the door or i have to open it to go outside.

i dont think i live in a quantum dimension where my cat defies my science studies.

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Then, the cat has to reach the door handle. That would be quite a feat, unless the cat is a tiger or a lion. But then, there would be, naturally a reluctance, to teach him any tricks.

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Forgot to mention, I was planning on putting a tote below him.

Wasnt planning on teaching him, wanted to see if he’d learn on his own. I suspect animals have a kind of “videogame consciousness” where obvious things are not apparent to them (such, as first person syndrome, where players get stuck in places that have simple solutions.)

I may paint an arrow pointing to the doorknob if she doesnt get it after a while.

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I would think cats may not pick up on one dimensional signs, it may serve better to set up a maze like contraption, where after repeated attempts she’ll get the picture. Place it on top of the tote, and reward her with some treats, then watch it learn
quick. But is it your intention, to teach in this manner? Wouldn’t it really be simpler to install the cat door which you do not have? They will learn this
real quick, unless You want to prove that cats can
learn literally higher intelligence , in the third person mode? Unless, again it is a more generically and all inclusive cat that is being considered. Otherwise,
learning can take on extra ordinarily measured

considerations, like they used to think of Dolphins’ communicative skills.

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Watched this doco the other day……

youtube.com/watch?v=0MYFOzP6Xns

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Since no one cat has been observed by anyone else like that , it is a rarity of the kind they talk about in the genus ‘genius cat’ circles. But here , mere average cats are considered.

Either that, or up to that time, no one really took the time to train cats to open doors.

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My cat can already open the door, there is no need for a cat door. my question is if my cat can figure out how to open the door when it is locked.

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Here is where it is necessarily to become positive, as it pertains to the definition of what is meant by a locked door. Is a door considered locked when merely closed? Or is it locked only when a key is turned? If the latter is meant. I would find to train a cat to turn the key, be near impossible, however nowedays, it’s wise never to say never. But if the former is what is really meant, then an locked door merely is one where the cat simply has to duplicate the content of the attached video, which also is quite astounding, nay not even close to turning of a key.

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Talk normal. Enough with the fancy speak

“Here is where it is necessarily to become positive” isn’t even a properly formatted sentence structure.

What you mean to say is, “Please be more informative when describing your experiments. Do you mean a keyed door, or a simple switch mechanism?”

The video learning tool, as seen on 2001 space odysessey, may be helpful but I’m not yet sure. I may seek videos of cats opening doors and show them to her. As it is, my cat can respond to questions by shaking her head yes or no. She may not understand the words properly, but she seems to understand the intent of the question. She can also formulate one or two rudimentary words, such as “hello”. She also nods her head and beckons rudely at me if she wants me to do something.

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Most cats can open generic, indoor doornobs manufactured in the US. All you gotta do it put pressure near the base, and vibrate it. One if the cats here (small one) can knock open doors first push, which kinda pisses,me off when I am going to happy town on myself.

Others can with repeated scratching, letting you know… but yelling “God Dammit, Don’t” repeatedly from the other side isn’t working as often as it once did.