i think that there are a lot of lonely philosophers on ILP…i asked my psychoanalyst to take a look at ILP…he agreed with me and mentioned two or three persons on here that stand out…
what do you think???
your psychoanalyst has that kind of time on his/her hands, little reptile? If he only mentioned two or three, chances are he isn’t that good a doctor. Everyone gets a bit lonely at times…it’s like the ocean which flows and ebbs. If your psychoanlyst reads a post in which some essence of loneliness seeps into a poster’s words, is he going to deduce that that poster is indeed a ‘lonely’ philosopher, the kind who lives with loneliness flowing through him? Or if he discovers that this poster’s work is done in the wee early hours of the morning, is he going to deduce that this is a lonely poster and not one who simply loves being all alone in the wee hours of the morning with no sound save the clicking of the keyboard?
Aside from that, what about you little reptile? Wouldn’t it be far better for you to focus on your own loneliness, if you are at times, and why you are? I sometimes get lonely, and believe it or not, I have come to realize that very often, not always, but very often, it is because I have lost myself, or a sense of self through being surrounded by others or involved in those things which grab us by the throat which fall into meaninglessness - where we sense no value in the present moment. And you know what it is which cures that? I go find a place of solitude where I can become deeply deeply alone. I live for my quiet still self and what comes from that is value, meaning and gratitude.
But I don’t think that anyone can every escape loneliness and why would they want to? It shows us our dissatisfaction with life and may be the pull or the force which becomes our creativity.
Who stands out?
Turtle will not answer that question for you. He’ll turn around and ask you: “Who stands out for you, Stoic Guardian”?
Little reptile,
I challenge you. Who stands out for you? And don’t you dare say “You Arc” because I’ve already stood up.
Actually though, perhaps it’s far better to allow those others to admit it if they so choose or not. In a way, for some, admitting to loneliness can be like stripping one’s self at least partially naked. Some tend to think of loneliness as a lack in themselves, as opposed to simply being human or simply ‘being’. Even animals have the sensation of loneliness. I know - my Yoda’s body language, like wrapping himself around my leg, looking intently and forlornly into my eyes and meowing, especially the silent meow, tells me so.
Lonely? Hell, I can’t seem to get people out from under my feet.
I think one of the problems we have, as people with a passion, is that more conventional people tend to look at what we do as something to ease our boredom. It’s as if the only reason we would have for doing it is that we haven’t got something more “fun” and social to do. Therefore, the assumption is that if they have something as such, and want us along, we should automatically want to drop our studies and head off for the party. I endure no end of frustration over this. Especially when people start tag teaming me.
Furthermore, it’s the main reason I despise and tend to get cranky during the summer and the holiday season. It’s just too much fanfare for me. It’s like standing at point A then trying to get to point B through a room full of meandering Alzheimer patients.
On the uptick, though, it’s what I also like about people on the board: they don’t just show up on my porch wanting to party, or go for a stroll, or to just fucking chat.
the loneliness my psychoanalyst spotted on
ILP was the problem an indiviual has being alone with themselves…they are very uncomfortable with who they are…i agree that we do not want to admit this…
I used to be lonely and self hating then i realized “Heh if I hate who I am, why don’t I become what I want to be”?
And what did you become?
I’m still trying to find out, but in the meantime I have become a philosopher that embraces tenets of Stoicism, now I play on getting in good physical shape, doing research relevant to my interests, looking for some employment , Starting to write stories i’ve been composing in my mind for years, while preparring to eventually enter into the Military , to be continued…or not as the case may be.
Should probably try to get a girlfriend too…do I sound lonely now?
That’s what you’re doing! But what are you becoming? Aren’t you already?
You should get a girlfriend now? Why?
Did I say you sounded lonely? But don’t you know that one can be involved doing many things, getting to many places and still be lonely as hell.
And why do you want to enter the military? 
Do you want to be a warrior and serve humanity?
What I’ve imagined I could be.
You right, perhaps I shouldn’t that would just complicate things. 
You didn’t,I implied perhaps that was the perception I was sending, yeah but i’m not lonely now so why would I be lonely then?
I’ve had a life long fascination with the Military and War.
Yes, though Humanity entails a lot of things, some of which i don’t support, you could say I’d serve what I believe is good in humanity.
Stoic Guardian
And what is that?
And you want to be a warrior? 
I was only focused on the ‘should’ as in
maybe feeling some kind of obligation to yourself to get one.
I think that loneliness is a mood. Why couldn’t you be lonely then? It might depend on whether or not you were trying to cover your pain of loneliness with doing things - rather than just being in the moment. Because of the simple fact that human nature is complicated and flux, you might be lonely now but not then. Things happen to bring it on and sometimes nothing happens and it flows through us. We don’t have to allow loneliness to determine us, but we cannot determine when it will come to us. If that makes sense.
And that’s enough reason to take a chance of dying in that way?
How do you know that’s the way it would end up? How do you know that at some point you wouldn’t serve what is least good in humanity by joining? You might just join the peace corp or something like that.
A better me.
No comment.
Right.
As a philosopher I’d like to see if my preconceptions are correct, bunk or somewhere in between.
Also everyone dies so thats not really a deterrant for me.
I don’t, which is one reason why i’d like to find out.