LOVE - an autobiography

Philosophy Forums Religion and Spirituality
21

Ec, in here not to argue for the sake of argument but.

EC says: “The only thing required for existence to exist is otherness…”

derleydo says:"

"What interests me is that you think in order to have love that we require non love to distinguish it from.

That everything is here for a reason.

That dichotomies make necessary existence"

me no says:

“love does appear to require it’s absence. , in order to distinguish it from it’s reason, up to a point, for after that , it gives up and releases it for the same requirement”

22

Meno.

Don’t play word games with me.

The absence of love is, “I don’t want this to be happening”… that can happen to all beings forever.

In a love existence, that happens to nobody forever.

23

What interests me, Ecmandu, is you refuting the charges laid at your door. I spent quite a while copying the original post. How did you respond - in your all-seeing, all-knowing fashion…?

“No. All of that is absolute bullshit.”

After a moment of reflection, I responded. I asked a number of questions of you? You disregarded all. I made a number of observations. You disregarded all. You accused me of cherry picking!

More cherry picking?

You have been known to describe yourself as a super duper empath. Empaths tend to to be aware of the feelings of others. If they hurt - you hurt. That being so, how would you go about justifying your use of words designed to hurt the feelings of others? Are you some kind of empathetic masochist?

The moral of the story? Don’t blast into a thread, dealing with the subject of Love, without demonstrating some small knowledge of the subject.

MENO! You said:

derleydo says:"

"What interests me is that you think in order to have love that we require non love to distinguish it from.

That everything is here for a reason.

That dichotomies make necessary existence"

derleydoo said no such thing. Ecmandu did! Do not attribute his words to me.

Meno, I could have quite easily listed a number of the insults Ec has hurled your way. It is clear he is intelligent, and it is clear that you respect that intelligence. There is a fine line between respect and sycophancy - be careful that you do not cross that line.

24

Cherry picking is defined as not using context.

I don’t even have to go back to those quoted posts to refute what you presented. It’s all in my head.

I’m not interested right now.

I want to distill this.

I’m a spiritual atheist. Also part shaman/part Shintoist.

I already know we all live forever.

Love. Goodness. Is simple.

Everyone gets everything they have always and will always want forever at the expense of nobody.

This whole existence is hate; always has been.

People don’t like the veil to be pulled off, so they wrote treatises about love that make no sense…

It’s like Christian apologetics. And what they do because of it.

Love should never require sacrifice or pain or torment or torture… for anyone and everyone.

There is no paradox to it.

25

I understand that you have your point of view. I understand that you think yours is the only correct point of view. I also understand that the only way you can maintain such a point of view is to disregard anyone - or anything - that challenges that point of view.

Context? The thread was about LOVE. You bowled in, revealing the nature of your character. “It’s bullshit.”

You mentioned, Bullshit. I merely followed your lead.

Your comment put me in mind of many of the claims you have made. Many of the statements that you continually make. “I hurt.” “I’m a hyper empath.” “I’m in pain.” “I am not a hypocrite.” I hurt." “I am not God.” “I am an empath.” “I hurt.” “You’re all retards.” “I am not a Messiah.”

Empaths are mindful of the feelings of others! They certainly don’t seek to upset, offend, or hurt them. You would do well to be a little kinder to others.

You say: “This whole existence is hate; always has been.”

Interesting, and slightly sad way of seeing things. It’s possible I would see the world in the same light, had I not had the great good fortune to have held two newborn daughters, and a number of grandchildren. The experience certainly changed me, and the way I saw the world!

Paradox?

From the same book, A More Excellent Way, this from Jean Ingelow.

"When she came
Before him first, he looked at her, and looked . . .
And wished himself a better man, and thought
On certain things, and wished they were undone,–
Because her girlish innocence, the grace
Of her unblemished pureness, wrought in him
A longing and aspiring, and a shame.
To think how wicked was the world.

Ecmandu, I hope you have the opportunity to experience the feeling of Love in the Here and Now.

26

You keep avoiding a repeating point. Because it’s too hard for you. Actually. To be perfectly honest. Go on your merry ego with your sex, and beings you think you gave life to. I’ll do the work myself.

The point that you’re avoiding is that LOVE is every being getting everything they want forever at not one beings expense.

I use tighter boundaries than you’ve ever conceived…

That by no stretch of the imagination gives me a fraction of free reign.

But you take your free reign everyday.

I’m not going to stalk you, or kill you or hell you…

Things you’ve never experienced before and I know by the way you speak. I hope you never have to endure one… I’ve been to thousands of them:

My mind is vicious. Not my body.

I already know what you’re thinking…

He feels morally superior to me.

I am. But that’s not the point.

Then you’ll think…that I actually treasure winning or losing a debate.

You’ll also think that I’m like a soldier who comes off of 4 tours of hard combat and smugly looks around at everyone knowing they’re having a good sense because of me.

I’ve seen the rows of answers before.

I can keep going.

My situation in existence does not give me the type of free reign you think I use.

A being like me who has a conscience would be sent to trillions of years in the deepest pits of hell for having sex once. Even seeing a pair of tits is millions of years.

I’ll tell you something…

Because you don’t have a conscience, and in this life, never will. You don’t have to worry about it.

27

Read my message above and then I want to be very clear about this.

What you think is love is actually hate.

Anytime someone violates the pleasurable exclusive access problem. It’s a hate crime.

You’re all too primitive to understand that.

‘My’ cat Charles throws hairballs up sometimes…

I have to clean it.

Do I get mad at Charles? Never. Charles is a cat. That’s what cats do.

When you come waltzing in about LOVE, I’m going to correct you.

Charles never postures himself as being that smart.

You are posturing yourself as being that smart.

Sometimes you need a swear word or two to hit a spirit that is posturing.

What? Am I supposed to curtsy to you when you walk down the street with an AK 47? No. I’ll lay into you.

You don’t even know what sin is… that’s how you get off. Reasons of mental defects.

28

From Love’s Paradoxes: Many have termed me the Supreme Egoism – but such have erred; for the breath of the Egoist is to me a deadly poison.

Phew! That’s a weight off my mind.

Wow! That is uncanny, Took the words right out of my mouth.

From Love’s Paradoxes: Many have termed me the Supreme Egoism – but such have erred; for the breath of the Egoist is to me a deadly poison.

From Love’s Paradoxes: Many have termed me the Supreme Egoism – but such have erred; for the breath of the Egoist is to me a deadly poison.

I have one more thing to say . . . :-$

Nah, leave it. There’s no point? You know exactly what I was going to say.

:romance-smileyheart:

29

I read your message “above,” and responded. I then noticed that you had added a further post - what I would consider to be verbal detritus.

How well I recall holding my newborn child. . . completely overwhelmed by feelings of hatred.

[-o<

30

Derleydoo…

I’m not after you

You still can’t handle the information.

LOVE is everyone getting everything they want at nobodies expense forever and always.

You’re doing something called violating the pleasurable exclusive access problem. That’s a hate crime.

Every hate crime I know of is done with joy.

That’s not LOVE.

31

Ec, I could say I love You like a dad cause I am probably older, and hence it’s safe for me to day that I have no exclusive need, to import that , for i realize You have gotten some idea of what an empath has to go through before praying and hoping they get everything at no one’s violation of every one’s expense.

To GIF there, You pretty well must have an angelic nature, and You know what?

I can’t day that I like the idea to live the Archangel falling from grace, but really think Christ was determined when He asked all the people of this planet to love even their enemies.

And I my feeling is, if You can make yourself live even the ’ Evil One, then the problem with excluding anybody from the power of live will be overcome, as the thing of the past.

I think Peacegirl was right on the money on that, pretty much saying the same thing with different words.

I pray that some of this will make some den’t in Your psyche.

I ask You a slight response, to Pray for this world in the near sorry state that it’s in.

32

Ec, I could say I love You like a dad cause I am probably older, and hence it’s safe for me to day that I have no exclusive need, to import that , for i realize You have gotten some idea of what an empath has to go through before praying and hoping they get everything at no one’s violation of every one’s expense.

To GIF there, You pretty well must have an angelic nature, and You know what?

I can’t day that I like the idea to live the Archangel falling from grace, but really think Christ was determined when He asked all the people of this planet to love even their enemies.

And I my feeling is, if You can make yourself live even the ’ Evil One, then the problem with excluding anybody from the power of live will be overcome, as the thing of the past.

I think Peacegirl was right on the money on that, pretty much saying the same thing with different words.

I pray that some of this will make some den’t in Your psyche.

I ask You a slight response, to pray for this world in the near sorry state that it’s in.

33

Sorry for double post.

34

derleydoo mops his forehead… removes sweat from brow. A huge sigh of relief. “Phew.”

“Good morning neighbour!”
“Morning.”
“I don’t think we’ve spoken before. What a gloriously beautiful sunny day. We’re off to the beach. I say ‘we’ – I mean me, and a few of the neighbours. We’re going on the bus. Why don’t you and your family join us.”
“I would love to. Indeed, in a manner of speaking I will join you. I’m a bus driver, I have to work. It so happens, that’s my route today.”
“What about tomorrow? We’re all off to the races.”

At the racecourse. A 17 runner handicap.
“What have you backed, neighbour?”
“No. 1. I’d love it if he won. You?”
“No. 2.”
“Anyone else having a bet?”?”
“No. 3. Could do with a winner. My daughter needs a brace fitting. She would love that!”
“What about you?”
“No. 4. Sorry to say it, but I’d love it to win. I need the money for my son’s piano lessons.”
“Well, let’s pray for a four horse dead heat.”
“Hear hear!”
“Yay!”
“Weighed in!”
“Excuse me folks! Spare a thought for us bookies. You’ll clean us out.”

Ec, perhaps you could explain how everyone gets what they want at the expense of no one.

(Asking for a flea that I saw on a cat’s back!) :-k

35

Derleydoo,

The only way it’s possible is to give each being their own universe … they’re the only sentient being in it.

Instead of interacting with actual spirits, you only interact with reflected spirits.

There’s an infinite number of these spirits each different and with their own reflected hyperdimensional universe in a larger multiverse.

It will be as realistic as this universe, except it’s impossible to hurt someone, and the reflective spirits can be altered at will because the shape of the reflection will change everything to your desire manifestation system imbedded in your spirit.

36

I’ll reply additionally to this in case it was missed.

My current patch was having sensory response to reflected beings. So I solved the synesthesia part.

Still having problems with response.

So I decided reflection and projection was the way to go… to combine the two. With projection you can store their consciousness, speech signatures, humor signatures, narrative, body and sensory signatures in your subconscious and project it out with their reflections so that people have natural response signals without feeling anything or being sentient.

37

Thanks for clearing that up. I see how the confusion arose. The original post was seeking to understand the nature of LOVE . . . in the world we inhabit - in the HERE and NOW.

You, however, were referring to something totally different. Hypotheticals - Imaginings - Mirrors!!! Notions way beyond my understanding!

That being so, I think it best if we leave it there. It is difficult to reach a consensus when neither party has any idea of what the other has experienced.

I apologise if I came across as a little bit tetchy. I believe I was a tad annoyed at the way you responded to the original post. Recall?

“All of that is absolute bullshit.”

Of course, now that you have explained . . . :slight_smile:

:romance-heartsfade:

38

In a universe with more than a single sentient being, love is an illusion. A convenient lie.

In a reflected universe with only one sentient being, love is real.

You ask me, what is love in the here and now?

I ask…

What’s to love here?

Clarity of what this is, is my solace here, and working to change it.

The closest thing I see to ‘love’ here… is, “I hate this place, but I’ll try to be nice to it, even though I know people are not wise to how existence exists here and are cruel enough to call anything here love.”

Almost everything I see here and now is apologetics, for themselves, for others, for this.

I have an ever so slight peace upon me this moment…

But I know it’s a lie.

The only reason I try to avoid extremely harsh hell realms is that nobody can focus in them.

So when I achieve any semblance (illusion) of peace…

I use that time to focus more, on changing all this.

Most people bask in that ‘peace’ and quit.

Souls are kind of like bodies…

Let’s say you slightly cut a part of your leg. Bodies heal naturally. But, the next day, you cut the same spot again and again and again… it will never heal.

Souls heal naturally when they aren’t poked over and over and over again…

And people have a right to realize when someone is doing this.

You have people like MagsJ… who’s dream is to be evil forever…

And then you have a tongue as vicious as mine.

So she hides. Sometimes it works out that way.

At the ‘end’, all of it’s bullshit.

The only thing that’s not bullshit is all of us changing this.

39

I’ll add to this…

Love in an existence like this current here and now is using pure spirit to disempower highly abusive spirits, not to hurt them physically, or even psychologically.

Just make them weak. Even mute them if you have to, without physically hurting them.

Truth hurts most people. That’s my vicious tongue.

If a player gets in my space and that player is male…

I’ll lay into them…

I’ll immediately tell them… “I understand you practice on men to get women to fuck you, I’m not a woman, I’m not gay, and I’m not going to fuck you.”

And I’ll say it with force that will shake their bodies without even raising my voice.

People can’t handle truth.

I know for a fact that every man on earth who has been with a woman has used player techniques… otherwise it’s impossible.

That’s not really the point here.

The point is, truth shuts people down.

I’ve seen how delicate conversations go over. People ignore them.

But if you call someone being dumb and explain why you think that’s true… they might think for a moment on what you say… reflect upon it, because they think others besides them are dumb.

That’s called speaking the same language as another person. It’s somewhat of a compliment when I use terms like these with others. I’d never dare call someone with Down’s syndrome dumb. They already know they are.

It’s one of those… pick on someone your own size type of things.

I stopped interacting with iambiguous because I see mental retardation.

I still speak to mag, even if she doesn’t speak back, because I don’t think she’s mentally retarded on that scale.

40

Lots of words, Ec. Excuse the cherry picking! A couple of observations.

Are you sure that those who are labelled with Down’s Syndrome know they are “dumb”? Or is it possible they know that other people look upon them as “dumb”?

What about you? Do you reckon you could have Down Syndrome? Occasionally, you have a tendency to talk down to (look down on) others?

You are not alone - it’s a common complaint! :slight_smile:

There is an excellent self-help book, written by a husband and wife team: The Way to a More Peaceful Existence by Hugh and Milly T. (Don’t recall the Surname)

:romance-heartbeating: :romance-grouphug: :romance-heartbeating: