Love and the Brutal Reality

Abilities are not generalized by default. It is the individual who generalizes them through personal effort.

Just because you can demonstrate courage in certain situations does not mean you can demonstrate it in all situations.

In other words, just because you engage in martial arts does not, in any way, shape or form, mean that you are not a fear-dominated individual.

Jews live for survival, for example, which, of course, does not mean they are not ready to risk their lives (see Israeli soldiers.) Just because they are ready to die for their country does not mean they are not fear-dominated individuals.

Fear is activity. Being dominated by activity means being dominated by fear. Very simple. Of course, noone is pure activity, but in an individual dominated by activity inactivity is merely a means to further activity.

My type, on the other hand, is defined by inactivity dominating activity.

Ha!

Are you a fear-ontologist?

Are you going to create a philosophy called “Fear Ontology”?

Is fear the ground of being, the ultimate?

Are Buddhist monks fearless, because they remain idle in their lotus positions?

Are warriors infused with fear, because they brandish their swords for hours on end on battle fields?

Inversion…inversion…

You got it all backwards, Blondie.

Given what you stated here and other places, about becoming quasi-psychopathic, due to too much activity and sensitivity,
I believe there is a good chance you have ADHD.

My younger brother has this and your description of yourself, in this regard, corresponds to what I’ve observed in him.

Ritalin…magical stuff, eh?

Fearlessness is a means, not an end. When fearlessness becomes an end, it becomes degenerate. Without fear, you become blind, unresponsive to reality, which is not a good thing.

Are Buddhists fearless? I don’t know. They probably are, but I’d have to examine their lives a bit more closely to be able to tell what’s going on in their heads, but honestly, I have no interest in that.

I never said one should be without fear. What I said is one should not be dominated by fear. Difference.

You are weilding Nietzsche’s ideas like a retard.

Inversion? Sure. I am inverting your inverted values.

I don’t even consider myself a Nietzschean.

Sure, I borrow somethings here and there from Nietzsche.

But, no - I’m not some dogmatic Nietzschean; I’m more Redbeardian.

Activity is a sign of virility.

Masculinity = Solar

Femininity = Lunar

The sun is a raging ball of activity; the moon is passive, tranquil, inactive.

I don’t, really, see how fear is in the equation.

I never said that you should stay at home and do nothing.

The ideal is to be in tune with reality. This is the principle of symmetry (or mimesis.) If the surrounding environment is active, one should be active as well. If the surrounding environment is inactive, one should be inactive as well.

The universe dictates what one should be doing, not one’s desires.

To say that one should be inactive at all times is as idealistic as saying that one should be active at all times.

Now you people see why I called him confucius last week. Look at that post. it couldn’t be more confucius. Proper conduct in coordination with nature, the self, and our neighbors.

it’s got that whole go with the flow tao feeling to it.

Erik’s association with Ragnar Redbeard and his distancing from Nietzsche is not a proof against, as his response suggests, but a support for, what I am saying.

His values are hyper-masculine, in that, he values power over beauty. This is why he talks of weakness disparagingly, as if all weakness is bad and all strength good.

Power and beauty are separate and as separate they should be treated. There is a tendency, an overarching conservative desire, to converge all directions to a final destination, as a result of which, we can often see people attempting to argue that all beauty is power and that everything that is powerful is necessarily beautiful, which, if we take a honest look at reality, is simply not the case.

The conservative tendency to unite disparate elements must be abolished, even if it can be made to work with reality, for it is unnecessary and un-aesthetic, a product of excessive fear, nothing less and nothing other than that.

What is beautiful is necessarily innocent and what is powerful is necessary ugly. Power can only be made beautiful by making it subordinate to the beauty of innocence.

Erik’s quoting of Nietzsche is selective, in that, he only selects the hyper-masculine elements he can find in him, ignoring everything else in his work. Effectively, he’s taking the worst from Nietzsche and ignoring everything that is good in him.

That Nietzsche spoke of “Will to Power”, or “der Wille zur Macht”, should not be taken to mean that Nietzsche is a hyper-masculine individual who praises power above else, but perhaps, among many other interpretations, as his reaction to Christian use of weakness as a form of power. For Christians are not frowned up because they are weak, for they are not weak at all, but powerful, only their power is feminine; the real reason they are frowned upon is because they are ugly.

The universe does not strive for power and individual organisms do not necessarily strive for power either. In fact, it’s ignoble to strive for power, for it betrays what the organism was originally.

And what the organism was originally is innocent.

An acquaintance of mine bought a ball python recently, a snake living in an acquarium, which he feeds with . . . hamsters. He uses a cute but weak animal to feed an ugly but powerful thing. An excellent example of hyper-masculinity.

I remember paying a visit once to a friend of mine. A small, pug-like dog, was running around my legs. He grabbed it and threw it across the room saying “I hate small animals!” Another example of hyper-masculinity.

Hyper-masculine degenerates, basically slaves, for slaves are the most conservative among peoples, are breeding shame in normal, healthy people. These people are shamed for being weak. Not for being idealistically ugly, but simply for being weak, thus forcing them into idealistic ugliness, a form of becoming strong at every cost. And so, more hyper-masculine degenerates are bred.

The underlying fear is the idea that if you are soft you cannot be strong, or that, if you are going to fail, you better to something to avoid failing.

Woah…Magnus, my man…

There is a whole lot of errors in that post of yours, amigo.

Let’s address this first:

Beauty and Power are not mutually exclusive.

When something is both beautiful and powerful, it is called “sublime”.

Are you not familiar with the concept of the sublime, Magnus?

A gargantuan mountain in the Canadian rockies is sublime, a lion is sublime, staring out into the infinite vastness of
outerspace can cause the feeling of the sublime. God, for the believers, is the ultimate form of the sublime.

Beauty and power compliment each other quite well. It’s just like the Ares and Aphrodite duality, love and war, sex and violence.
They go great together.

And the best parts of Nietzsche’s philosophy are his glorifications of war, strength, individuality, and power.
He admired the Norse sagas, the Viking warrior spirit.

He was a heathen philosopher, not a fucking “gentle-man”.

A 9th century barbarian is not a 19th century barbarian, or a 21rst century barbarian either. That’s the problem. There’s some trans-hermeunetic interference here… like when you see erik holding his sword and there’s no sign of battle or war anywhere.

You cannot expect Nietzsche to start a bar fight or claim three women to take with him when he leaves. Barbarians didn’t do cowboy shit like that when they were philologists in the 19th century. What they did was play minor scales and write polemics. Very good polemics. Very, very good polemics in N’s case.

Insofar as a 19th century philologist can be barbarian, N was very much barbarian I think. Violent disregard for philosophical and scientific authority, aggressive imposing behavior and capable of sustaining fits or rage in which dexterity, strength and agility gain a +4 (though temporarily suffering a -2 to constitution after fit of rage is over).

Existence is war, agon.

But the real war is occuring not in the external world, but the internal one.
That war only I can see.

Nietzsche is a clumsy reaction to Christian worship of weakness. I say clumsy, because unlike many others before him, he failed to see that Christian worship of weakness is a reaction to hyper-masculine worship of power. Had he realized this, he’d never have called his doctrine “will to power”. He himself, however, and his philosophy taken as a whole, is far from being hyper-masculine.

It does not matter whether you worship power or weakness because in either case you do not worship beauty, and that means, you are willing to be ugly for the sake of ignoble ends.

Beauty lies beyond power and weakness.

Unlike Christians, who fear and despise power due to hyper-masculinity, I do not preach weakness and I do not shame power.

Still, unlike tyrants, who fear and despise weakness, I do not preach power and I do not shame weakness.

I preach beauty and I shame ugliness (but only the ideological kind.)

Be beautiful is my motto. And to be beautiful, and remain beautiful, you must use power.

So yes, you are right, beauty and power are not mutually exclusive, but I never claimed such a thing in the first place anyways.

The most valuable being, there is no doubt about it, is the most powerful beautiful being. Those beautiful beings, the rank remains intact, that are less powerful are considered to be of lesser value.

Though power and beauty are not mutually exclusive, they are separate, which means, what is powerful is not necessarily beautiful and what is beautiful is not necessarily powerful.

Moreover, beautiful weakness is considered superior, in terms of value, to ugly power. And the more powerful the ugliness, the less valuable we consider it.

Most importantly, whoever prioritizes power will be more powerful than whoever does not, which includes beautiful people. This means that in the long-term, if not in the short-term, the winner of the great war between the beautiful and the ugly will no doubt be the ugly. And that’s how it should be.

You have to understand that the powerful are not necessarily ugly, but only conditionally ugly. They can be beautiful, but only if it serves their hyper-masculine ends. When it does not, as is often the case, they simply revert back to being ugly. This is how the phenomenon of hierarchy works: whatever is at the top remains firm, whereas everything below it adapts.

You use this as a way to escape my accusations. “I can be beautiful”, you say to yourself, ignoring that you can only be conditionally beautiful, which is inferior to my unconditional beauty.

Zoot’s example of good kind of compassion is the barbaric kind of compassion, and so, not the real kind.

One will strive to be whatever one is. There is no communication here. Erik isn’t willing to reject his barbarism. He’s a barbarian, or whatever he wants to call it, and that’s the end of it. All past, present and future communication was, is and will be merely a means to strengthen one’s core beliefs.

Either that, or he is confused, which I doubt he is.

Though, in a sense, he is confused, he is confused away from barbarism.

Why should I reject my “barbarism”? What for?

This “barbarism” is precisely what gives me power. Why, in the hell, would I relinquish that?

For the sake of the beautiful?

To me, this very “barbarism” is beautiful.

I’m not confused at all. I’ve never been more awake.

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There is a scene in here, at the very end of the clip, where Charlie Sheen finally summons the courage to accept the reality of the situation he is in.
And in doing this, he discovers himself for the warrior he is. As he rushes into the fray, he says: " It’s beautiful, it’s beautiful!", as
he fires his rifle at the enemy.

I had a very vivid dream not too long ago, it was on the lower slopes of some Alpish looking mountain.
There was an ancient battle about to take place. Both armies were rushing towards each other, the one running up
the mountain and the other side running down, screaming their battle cries. I was an observer on the side, a presence
there witnessing it. One of the warriors running down the hill, at the very front, ran even faster,so that he was the very foremost.
He ran so fast, almost like a turbo-boost, then as he lifted up his axe, jumping in the air to strike the enemeies, time began to slow down.

It was one of the most sublime dreams I’ve ever had. I understood what Charlie Sheen meant, when he said during the battle, " It’s beautiful, it’s so beautiful!".

There is a certain glory and beauty in war, that only a rare few can see. Most just see ugliness.

But there is an almost godly quality to the animalism that is war.

That’s what I mean. You’ve already accepted the premise and are now merely resisting confusion.

War is a means and not an end. There is nothing beautiful about it unless it is used as a means for beautiful ends.

The goal of this interaction for me is to figure out whether you are a barbarian or simply someone who’s been misdirected to become a barbarian. This is to determine whether you are a friend or a foe. If you are a barbarian, then you are an enemy. If you are merely misdirected, then you are a fellow who is in need of help, if not beyond help, but in any case a fellow who’s a victim of barbarism.

Based on everything so far, here and elsewhere, I’d say you’re a confusing enemy, confusing because you are not consistent, which, if you are an enemy, makes you even more of an enemy.

In democracy, everyone is an enemy of everyone else, which is why everyone is a confused enemy, thinking that everyone is a friend.

Enemy is a strong word, Magnus - kind of like how one is careful not to so quickly use the word “love”.
Enemy is associated with hatred, just like lover is associated with love. Love and Hatred are two of the strongest passions.

We are not enemies, regardless.

There is a scene in Scarface, where Tony says:

“Once you get the money, then you get the power, and once you get the power, then you get the women.”

Power is a man’s objective in life.
Love, sex, women follow from this.

A “man” who’s main objective is love is a fool, an idiot.

Romantic love is for pansies and women, not men.