Love

[James_S_Saint]

@arcturus rising

Mr. Saint:

arcturus rising wrote:
We can love someone and hope that they return that love (though it isn’t necessary for Love) but at the same time, we can still see our own separateness from them. Don’t you think, James, that it is the individual who is able to see his separateness that can love in the right way?

@James S Saint

Is it that separateness part of yourself that you love? OR the part that is unwantingly separated?

As a human being, I experience my self-imposed separateness and enjoy it. It nourishes/nurtures me…I thrive on it. And even the unwanted separateness, which, truth be told, in a sense, may unconsciously also be self-imposed, when not imposed by other, causes me to grow and to become. I may not enjoy that experience but I realize it is there for my good. It isn’t that I love it but that I do it out of a sense of self-love, which means to struggle against laziness and inertia, for my growth. Do you not enjoy your aloneness and separateness at times and even realize that when you do not desire it, it is still there to teach you, to speak to you? We just have to listen and feel it.
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At the same time, we cannot do this all of the time as love does need discernment and balance.

You have answered your own question.
When the separateness is the “good” and hope, then it is what is loved. When what is loved is seen far away, a discernment and balance must be reached. Which is loved more at that moment?

But don’t forget that some people love the Devil regardless of consequences.

@arcturus rising

You ARE your perception of hopes and threats embodied.

Well, we can AT LEAST say that they are a reflection of certain aspects of us or what we are experiencing in certain moments. Is the tree the FOREST?

We can rightfully say that that PHT is the very guide for every seed and spirit of that forest.

@arcturus rising

we must take care and at times examine those ‘perceived hopes” no?

No. “We” must ALWAYS take care to examine those “perceived hopes”;
Clarify, Verify, and Remember the Hopes and Threats that Inspire the Maximum Momentum of Self-Harmony.

@arcturus rising

Yes, Love does mean action and will – without it, it is not Love, but simply desire, but we need to be aware of what it is exactly we want to continue and Why.

It is the understanding, the “why” that has been lacking.

@arcturus rising

Sometimes our ‘hope’ has to die, don’t you think? Is there always a place for it?

There is always “a place”. All hopes must give their proper weight to the final balance. They never die, they merely must wait their turn (which might never come).

@arcturus rising

I don’t actually see ‘perceived hope’ as love? Hope is an ingredient and necessary for love to flourish and continue but it isn’t love. Unless I misunderstood your words here.

Perceived Hope is the inspiration in Love, not the act of Love itself really.

@arcturus rising

It might be hard to grasp (and definitely hard to express), but in fact, everything you have ever loved, began as a love for some part of yourself being seen outside of you.

That’s not hard to grasp at all. But don’t you mean to say… began as a love for some part of ourselves within which is either known or unknown by us which we are reaching for?
Maybe that’s just what you said.

Seems to be.

@arcturus rising

And sometimes what we desire to love is a part of our self that we do not see or feel within.

If you do not see or feel it, you will not Love it (intentionally anyway).

@arcturus rising

why do we allow that hope and desire for love to sometimes come close to destroying us instead of nurturing/nourishing and adding to our continuation, our growth and becoming?

Because we are “insane” and destine to stay that way as long as we authorize passion over rationality.