Love.

We live for love.

When love only causes pain, we hide.
We hide, in hope that one day, love wont hurt so much.
When one peers out of their shell, what does one see?
Is it safe to emerge? To embrace love?

One has love to give and a home to nurture it.
One sees what life has to offer.
One sees that loss is inevitable.
Why should one not continue to hide?

There is no hope for a different story.
What if one doesn’t have the strength to embrace love?
What if one can’t handle what it is to lose love?
How does one find that strength within?

Love is the only motivation.
To ignore it, is to lose it before it’s time.
If you have the strength to live, you have the strength to love.
Loss is inevitable. Accept and embrace.

I wish love wasn’t reducible but I think it is reducible.
It is an aspect of a system.
Without the system there is no love.

We can all love tube cat, though.

I don’t know if I follow you…

A car is a system. If there’s no car, there’s no wheels. However, if there’s a car without wheels, the car isn’t going to function as intended.

Given this, how does Love being part of a system counter what I said?

It’s not my goal to counter what you said.

Wheels come in a variety of shapes and sizes.
Wheels are a part of many various systems.
A wheel itself is a system aswel.
Wheels are reducible.

Love is similar. It’s a structure. It’s a system itself and is part of a greater system.
When love is disected it comes down to life experiences, brain hemespheres, possibly souls aswel.
If love was a thing in itself or an element, it would probably be much more common, but as
far as I see, love is a rare thing in the universe.

Could you please define LOVE? To me it is nothing other than our feeling of wanting something whether it was a person, music food or certain types of state of mind.

By the way, to my eye, the word is often used in subtle/hypocritical way to coerce/manipulate others. Eg I love you that’s why I don’t want you to do certain things such as cheating on me, behave in certain way etc. If someone ever told that even in the most subtle way, I will no hesitation telling them it is NONE OF YOUR FU*KING BUSINESS in the most polite/subtle way!

My point is love or any human feelings are arisen from people’s selfish interest. If you ever forget this, you will end up being a victim or slave of a certain person or a society!!!

Any disagreement?

Will

@Dan~

Words are divisive. That is their intent. If all were equal, there would be no distinction. The ultimate distinction is existence from nonexistence.

Love is but a line in the sand, or perhaps a lack thereof. Love is as rare as the scope we choose to give it.

So my question is, love is rare amongst whom? Beings that distinguish are rare, but if there’s no distinction, is there even a question of abundance?

@will2010

We are all slaves. Should one judge what is inevitable?

It’s strange that you’d look to a system to find reducibility. That it can’t exist without the system only shows that it isn’t reducible to any single cog in the machine.

Joe Schmoe…

The above ‘line in the sand’ reminds me of ‘boundaries’ without which there could be no actual love. At the same time, those boundaries must at last come down, at certain moments, for love, real love, which is a form of intimacy (non-sexual and otherwise), to take hold.

Most of what people consider to be love is simply attachment, dependency, lust, an addiction to that feeling good moment and illusion of entitlement.

But there is love which involves commitment, discipline, detachment, honestly and reality, ad continuum…

Oh, and I forgot, the love of letting go …which can be a bitch, but which at the same time, may enlarge us and the other - hopefully. I think that ‘love’ is for the most part an action verb.

<If all were equal, there would be no distinction.

What do you mean “all were equal”? Are you saying people who watch TV all day and being lazy are equally valuable to those who work hard to achieve something (people like Beethoven, Einstein etc)?

Also what does that have to do with “love”?

Do you disagree that love is simply a state of wanting or being attached to?

<The ultimate distinction is existence from nonexistence.

What is “YOUR” definition of nonexistence?

By the notion of multitudes, that is what love is to them. But in order for love to be “real”, it has to have a transcendent nature or character to it. At times it has to have a sacrificial quality to it (if that is what is called for) in order to do no harm and in order to effect the self’s or the other’s growth and maturity.

Of course, within “real” love there can ALSO be a state of wanting/desire. We are, after all, human but it’s not necessary.

For now, I have two: (1) That which has not yet been revealed :laughing:; and (2) a life which in the present moments is not really being lived as much to the fullest as is possible.

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Hey! How did you get that picture? That was myself and my beloved as children. I remember initiating that kiss and it was well worth it. :laughing: I did have to teach him how to tie his shoe laces though but it took absolutely nothing away from that First Kiss. It always so amazes me when I look at that picture how young children are when they play at being romantic - at least I hope they’re playing at it. The media IS absurdly ridiculous.

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Yeah, I got another shot of you two a little bit later on in your lives…

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Ah, yes, I will remember that kiss for the rest of my life. Time stood still…at least I wanted it to stand still in that moment. But how did you know, truly, that we were those same two children? Ah, perhaps it is because some kisses do leave their own kind of magical imprint, some kind of essence or resonance which permeates the air surrounding them and the very fabric of space, and reverberates through time eternal.

At first, I did not want to even kiss him. I froze in rebellion and in such need for mutual reciprocation. And then, just as the snowflakes melted around us, I too melted and responded to him in such earnest. Then, as he walked away from me, looking back only once, my spirit and inner experience reflected the color of that hat I was wearing. I put it into a box and have not touched it since that one-of-the worst-days-of-my-life …day. For he was leaving me, forsaking me, as it so seemed to me. He chose his god over me and was choosing to leave me to become a priest. I both hated him and loved him desperately in those moments. As I watched him walk away, for I didn’t have the heart to spend even one minute more with him, my heart was crushed in a way which I felt could never be undone. And as i saw him become but a blur to me, my tears mingling with the fresh fallen snow, I sat down on the wet cold ground, and screamed WHY, WHY, WHY, to a god who I once thought to be so loving but now knew to be so cruel and heartless as to take from me the man who I would have died for, the man who I would have lived for.

Yes, it is true that when one window or door closes, another opens - but there has never been one such as himself and I doubt if there ever will be. And healing may take such a forever kind of time. This I know from experience. But healing also comes from the wisdom of knowing that even though the sacrifice was not a perfect willing or an embrace of fate itself, the outcome was not in vain but produced a beautiful meaningful life for the other and through that another more meaningful raison de’ etre came into being and flourished.

But now…let me ask you a question. Are you simply a voyeur or are you some kind of an angel or an agent of the Universe sent to record those moments in my life never to be forgotten, though truth to tell, I cannot decide if I would even want them to be remembered or if I even have the will in me to forget them. That double-edged sword can be as hurtful and lethal as it is beautiful.

Would one, could one, even realize how this is not so purely unautobiographical!

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You madam, are AWESOME!, [size=85]grabs brim of top hat and gently nods.[/size]

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Imagine my surprise! He was going to be a priest. You may resent this question or consider it somewhat forward I don’t know, but I lost a loved one to the church too! My loss was a literal loss which carried my soul alongside. If I may ask , without having any kind of ability as to the result of Your loss, except the figurative build up leading to it, whether Your love was ever officially indemnified? , or did He ascend to that other calling of self sacrifice?
Mine was sacrificed by that calling, by his rejection of it.

Can we get back to philosophy, please, and keep the other stuff for Mundane Babble?

That made me beam. Thank you. :happy-sunshine:

Obe, I’m not quite sure what you mean by “officially indemnified”. Consummated perhaps? :smiley: Let’s not forget that life is a journey and a process and that relationships and love do become transformed within the fires. My soul at times felt more like it was being ‘dragged’ alongside, not carried.
He is a Dominican priest and happy. And so I can soar now because of that.

Okay. :open_mouth:
But mundane babble it is NOT!!!