Okay, Lyssa the sadistic dominatrix seems to have come off the rails. How about Lyssa the sadistic abstractionist? I dare you to deny that!! =D>
There cannot be a denial, because the reverse in S&M of a sadistic abstractionist is a masochistic impressionist. One does not deny the other they have to affirm each other for it to work.
Where was your cancer, and is it clear?
Without seeing the vid, I can’t otherwise comment.
A fair question.
This doesn’t become a problem if the person is not the same person… in that in the future when the act is regretted, the person is not the same person who committed the act. We’re doing Humean bundle theory here. So, for your example, the future after-effects of a case of masochism… say somehow it interferes with their normal life (this is the criteria for paraphilia, btw) is not something that applies the same as it did to the person who committed the act in that past. And vice versa, a masochist cannot know his masochistic acts will have that negative effect on them in that future.
So technically, no, but in sophisticated Socratic terms (just to find an exception to the argument… that ol’ resident contrarian), it could be argued that it is sometimes good to interfere and deny someone their decisions by stopping them. If it is wrong to steal, and I see a drunk man waving a gun, would I be justified in taking the gun from him without his permission, type stuff.
Besides, regret is a difficult thing to foresee, and who am I to say ‘this is good for him’? Utilitarians and blockheaded John Stuart Mills are not looking three steps ahead! How do I know what will become of an act, whether in/for one’s personal life or for the world entire?
Yeah that’s a good question now that the smoke has cleared.
Did you really have cancer, how bad was it, have you recovered fully, and what kinds of things are you doing in your life to help prevent it from returning?
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Yes, and if one looks back and finds discrepancy, it and has resolved, why an intervention may have helped to fill in those gaps. After all, maybe, it's natural healing. A lot of medical believe in that, sorority it goes unnoticed.
Error: in stead of sorority, the word should be sorrily .
Hey, a lot of that probably goes unnoticed in sororities too, so you’re good.
LOL!
It appears to me that Erik is not self-valuing. He appears to have denied the anger he feels at Lyssa. He must bring back that anger and focus it, instead of distracting himself with this talk about how intelligent or beautiful Lyssa is. Who cares how intelligent or beautiful your enemy is, for christsake? But that’s what happens when you’re hanging out with a guy called Fixed who’s teaching everyone how to love everyone else, which is self-devaluing, the opposite of self-valuing.
And so we have reached an awkward point in our story. Pressure is being put on Lys to provide a picture of herself, and if she believes we won’t like her picture or find her attractive, or if she thinks she is unattractive, she might not want to post a picture.
This is a fucked up and an almost unfair position to be in. She would ask: would it make any difference what I looked like. To that I answer none, because her mind and personality is such that despite what she looks like, that quality is very easily redeemed by her mind and personality.
Lys could look like the south side of a mule and still, although I wouldn’t ever want to touch her (I might manage a hug), I could talk to her and always feel I am in good, witty, intelligent company. Note I did not say friend; I enjoyed arguing with her and the conflict it created (many months ago). Frankly, I had never been intellectually slapped quite like that by a female poster before, and it was very exhilarating for me. She is very fast with the rapier, I quickly found out. If she were my friend, I wouldn’t have had this opportunity, see.
This can be a message to all the women out there in ILP. That you are here… that you can follow a conversation, think for yourself, make a few good points and raise a few good arguments, talk about things in unique philosophical ways… , this puts you at an advantage over most women because most, it seems to me, cannot even do this. You got something special if you find yourself understanding philosophical things.
If I picked ten women off the streets, I would put eight of them up against any female here at ILP with my wager.
What matters in a woman. Beauty is very temporary, but intellect is enduring, something a real man should most definitely want in his female companion(s). Have you given yourself this credit yet, ladies? What kind of a man wouldn’t want you to be great well beyond your years of physical beauty?
To all the so-so ladies at ILP. This is perfectly okay and does not for a moment make you any more lesser (nod to Lys’s grammar mistake yesterday) in my eyes. I would suggest that you dismiss any man who would not appraise your total net worth with your level of intelligence included and prioritized among your virtues.
If you are hot, that’s a bonus. But the lack of a bonus is not the equivalent to a loss of value. You’re still greater, just not more greater (booyah! twice in one post, Smears. That’s how you do it, nigga.)
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Orb, I’m not really that much of a philosopher and I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at but maybe your response is spot on to what I’m sayingand I’m just not understanding you.
All I meant is that our own actions need to be directed according to our conscience/consciousness and not toward the need of that person who needs the relationship of a sadist and masochist. Would we be any less of a sadistic bastard just because that person’s deep-seated masochism required us to be that? Are we willing to give up our humanity, empathy and compassion and to become something that we know deep down that we are not, that we could never be? when I spoke of humiliation, I was more speaking of that of the masochist.
It is a very straightforward decision for lyssa to not post a picture. Even if she was the hottest woman alive, she is still hotter in your minds.
But that’s not why she won’t post a pic. She won’t post a pic because… she’s Han.
Aren’t you, haney?
Sigh…
There are so many reasons that one might admire a woman:
- her intelligence
- her personality
- her social skills
- her employment accomplishments
- her athletic prowess
- her sense of humor
- her emotional depth
- her success as a parent
- etc
But you know you are in the la la land of the “typical male” when all of that seems to pale next her “beauty”. Or, sure, her tits and her ass.
Of course, that also seems to be an obsession with some women too. Especially the “hot” ones.
Han Solo?
Who would have thought. Yeah, I guess I can see it. She’s a philosophical mercenary and smuggler, does business under the table beyond the jurisdiction of the federation of planets, has the fastest spaceship, and a wookie for a partner and co pilot.
Nope, this:
The Han is a heart-path in the sense of Spirit and the resilience of that spirit, which I call will…
That’s how Lyssa encompasses it. But as with almost everything that she encompasses it’s just another intellectual contraption that tells us nothing at all about it’s existential properties out in the world.
This is where my exact thoughts on the matter took me to too, Amorphos, but you posted first… is one willingly coerced into such a corner because they enjoy the game, or is that who they are?
Arc, I will try to answer as straightforwardly as Your analysis begs that of me. masochism need not be that which we usually associate it with : application of pain through torture of mind and body. However,
Certain situations can magnify simple dependency issues between people to unforeseen levels, at times evolving into folie de deaux. here, responsibility for the other likewise gets magnified to the point of expressing such verbatim as : ‘I can’t live without You’, in a literal sense. As if one’s existence was indubitably connected to the other.
This is not as rare as all that, such dependencies exist very often in different guises, or, overtly.
And as a matter of fact, in practical life, when the honeymoon is over, some couples engage in mild forms of it. Some do it expressly, some do it underhandedly, but it is done by weaving an intricate web of relational ideation so with the other, binding them into it.
That Some need it and some don’t, is also an iffy question. There is no doubt, that some do need it, or,so they think. At first it becomes a test of enduring power over the other, to acquire knowledge into orientation (weakness, strength, animus, anima, control or lack of, affiliation with, and other variables)
it is part of reality testing, and the dominatrix is paid a high fee for this, because she knows where and how to push those intricate and closely knit buttons.