MAGA....or now what?

In thinking about this latest ‘‘trend’’ that we, in some
unidentified fashion, and with no known goals as to achieve
it, what exactly does making ‘‘American Great’’, actually mean?

It seems to be about making America, again in some unexplained
fashion, great…which involves bombing a girls school and causing
massive amount of civilian casualities… and how exactly does that
make America great? and where exactly is the connection between this
allege regime change and this ‘‘greatness of America?’’…

But Kropotkin, we are just ‘‘protecting’’ ourselves…in exactly
the same way we have since 9/11… and how does that pretend
‘‘protecting’’ ourselves lead us to greatness? In the same way that
we lost our moral high ground, by the torture of individuals,
by the kidnapping of individuals, by the killing of people by
drones or missiles strikes… How exactly does this MAGA?
Is the greatness of a country, say America tied into its military
capabilities? Or is the greatness of a country tied into something else?

I have railed of late against those whose words fail to match their
actions, and America has been of late, the last 25 years or so,
has failed, in virtually every way, this test of matching the words
of a nation with its actions…
‘‘the land of the free and the home of the brave’’‘’
and we have failed in even this small example of the American
spirit… if we reduce or remove our freedoms in place of security,
we, as Ben Franklin noted, don’t deserve either one…
I hold that the true message of a country greatness lies not
in the bombs it drops or the massive military might that we have,
or even in our economic superiority… a country greatness
is not connected to any of these things…So, what is it attached to?
What is the basis of a country’s greatness?

As I have noted before, what human beings must do, is to meet
their needs, and those needs are both physical and psychologically…
we have the need for love, and food/water, shelter, education, health
care, as bodily needs and our psychological needs are also love, but
safety/security, self-esteem, the need to belong…
All human beings, indeed, all life, must meet these needs,
and so, for my money anyway, the greatness of a country
lies in meeting these needs…That is why I hold Europe
as being far greater than America and why I consider America
a failed state… in the name of money, we have allowed people
to starve and be homeless and go without meeting their basic
needs… both bodily needs and psychological needs…

The greatness of a country lies in meeting its citizens needs…
and that includes moral and ethical needs… some might call
this, spiritual needs, I won’t go that far…but theoretically,
I could… So, what would need to happen for us to meet
our moral/ethical/spiritual needs?

What isn’t meeting our spiritual, moral, ethical needs is this
administration and its constant negation or as its called,
its nihilism… this administration attacks on gays, trans,
liberals, the poor, the old, in fact, everyone not white and rich…
This negation, this nihilism of the US is not greatness but its
opposite…as I have stated earlier, what is the opposite
of nihilism? I have called it ‘‘ad meliora’’ toward the better…
and what has the United States done in the last year that is
''ad meliora?" the two military attacks, Venezuela and Iran,
has done nothing ‘‘toward the better’’, in fact, I would say that
it has done the exact opposite… those attempts at MAGA,
have completely failed to do so…

What is called for is a reevaluation of what makes a country
great? I would say it isn’t the military or economic or political
strength, but something completely different… we are trying to
MAGA but in ways that is the complete opposite of MAGA…

to really make a country great, this is the path… one, people
have the right to make their own choices, which is to say, voting
rights, people have the right to be educated… for to be educated is
to be inform of one’s possibilities and strengths… that everyone has
enough of their bodily needs met… where the emphasis is not
to become wealthy or seek out fame or power or material goods,
but to part of a society/state that does take care of its citizens,
that people do have enough to meet their needs,
that part of the human goal is to be educated and have
their food and water and shelter and medical needs all met…
but one might say, but Kropotkin, who is going to pay for that?
and therein lies the current state of nihilism…
Who is going to pay? thus making money the essential aspect
of existence, for who is going to pay for people to have their
needs met? that is really a choice between money and people…
and ‘‘soul sick’’ people will choose money, every single time…
is money more important people being able to eat or to have
a roof over their head or be able to meet their medical needs?
Is money really more important than meeting people’s needs?

the fact of the matter is that America, its people are focused on
the wrong goal, the wrong actions… we shouldn’t be,
as I have stated a few times, focused on the trinkets of
existence… which is money, fame, power, titles or material possessions…
and to be so, is to be ‘‘soul sick’’ because those things are
really ‘‘ad hoc’’ of the moment… does money last long? nope,
does fame last long, nope, and power and titles, do they have
a long shelf life, nope… and material possessions, houses or
cars or TV sets, do they have a long shelf life? NOPE…
America in pursuing those trinkets, are seeking out the exact
things that doesn’t create greatness… What is a country’s
greatness? by the quality of life of its citizens… and that
quality of life includes such things as meeting the needs of its
people… like food, water, shelter, education, health care and
the psychological needs of love and safety/security, and a sense
of belonging…let us examine one of these psychological needs,
that sense of belonging…

as all people need a sense of belonging…that is one of
the primary psychological needs of people… but how can one
have a sense of belonging if the country is attacking your basic rights…
for example, the current attack on gays or trans people, how does
this attack improves their own sense of belonging? It doesn’t…
it reduces their sense of belonging… for it is a denial of their basic
right to be who they are…if I am being denied my own sexuality,
as being gay or trans, then how can I have a sense of belonging in
my own country? If I am being attacked as being black, or a minority,
how do I keep my own sense of belonging to America? My very person
is under attack… how is that, in any way, shape or form, making America
great? or how does it help me gain my own psychological needs,
if they are under attack? I hold that these attacks, both bodily
and psychologically, against its own citizens, is extremely
damaging to America… and how is that MAGA?
How does attacking old people by denying them their ability
to feed or house or to buy medicines, by reducing their Social Security
checks amounts? How does that MAGA?

I would say that every single action of this administration has damaged
America… it has done the exact opposite of MAGA…
And those who support this president and this administration,
has done pretty much the opposite of MAGA…

One what grounds are we to judge the idea of what makes
a country great? What makes a country great?

Kropotkin

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I think MAGA means that Trump, the clinical narcissist, projects a huge narcissistic injury onto the US, and then promises revenge.

Everyone has been taking advantage of the US, the US has been treated badly, the US is the laughing stock of the world = narcissistic injury.

We’ll show them, we’ll show them who’s the boss, we’ll make them learn their place again. We’ll make America great again = revenge.

MAGA is a good slogan though for all the various idiot groups who support Trump.

Of course the US was by far the “greatest” country on the planet before MAGA, and is now taking one of the shortest routes possible to lose that status.

The irony is that Trump is precisely going against one of the main things MAGA voted for him for: he’s engaging in a regime change war which he promised he wouldn’t and expressed disgust for his predecessors who carried these out. This was an outsider position - in history especially on the right - but with people like Hilary on the other side and other ‘liberal’ hawks - it set him apart from many. But, he couldn’t live up to it. Now a lot of Conservatives like Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Ann Coulter and Candace Owen, Matt Walsh, Steve Bannon (who worked for Trump) are attacking both the war and the Trump presidency in general for going against his own platform and betraying his voters. That is a very powerful group of opinion makers from the right. And once oil food and pretty much everything starts going up in price, well he’ll have even more right and conservative anger aimed at him. But sadly, I don’t think they really care about this.

I think the people leading Trump around don’t care because they can always find ways to pressure the presidents.

In what way exactly? I don’t think any other country has ever been aware of such a ‘competition’. In what sense is the word ‘greatest’ being used? ‘Best’? It’s the ‘best’ country? Really? How is it ‘the best’? That would be strange because ‘greatest’ is not a synonym for ‘best’. It’s certainly not the biggest. I’m genuinely confused. I’ve never heard any other country self-describe as ‘the greatest’ so perhaps it just means ‘the biggest blowhard’.

In Trump’s understanding of ‘greatest’: most dominant, most influentual, most powerful.

America has never been great.

For all intents and purposes, the underlying concepts of “Make Germany great again” and “Germany for Germans” were foundational to Nazi Germany. Those same underlying concepts are foundational to the MAGA America of today. There are also striking similarities to the propaganda and disinformation being utilized as well as how and what is being implemented. What’s more, those swept up in the fervor are cut from the same cloth as back then: They hold self-centered and/or simplistic views which typically go hand-in-hand.

Isnt this basically an american brain ghost?
A delusion?

America is the world’s largest and strongest military power, also the one that has basically crafted a dictatorship for itself through the support of europe and thus cannot be questioned globally as a military might. Russia invades a country and the world splits in half and crucifies itself economically just to get back at them, meanwhile you go around bombing a new country every second week.

Nobody laughs at you. Because everyone is weaker than you.
But everyone laughs behind your back partially in dismay when the bully of the planet starts to walk around thinking that everyone is laughing at him. An 800 pound orc sculpted of muscle with the IQ and self-awareness of a tree branch.

Its a quirk of having all the muscle you ever wanted, but not a spine to hold you up straight.
The world’s most bloodthirsty cesspit that can and always gets anything it wants, but it cannot look in a mirror and cannot own who it is.
It bombs a new country every 3-30 months, justifying it with lies and moral sophistry barely hitting the level of a punchline at a stand up comedy, causing the death of sometimes hundreds, sometimes thousands, and then sometimes millions.

Nobody is laughing at you. Nobody can laugh at you.
Everyone, especially your victims are very angry at themselves.
What does it make you when you cant put up a fight against a mofo who cant even face himself in a mirror and see himself for what he is? It feels bad.

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@Peter_Kropotkin

25 years of waging war on Israel’s behalf all throughout the Middle East under both democrats and republicans has had grave consequences.

Why is this nation collapsing and becoming a failed state Peter?

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Bbbut..I love Israel! I just don’t like Trump!! :joy: :rofl:

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Here is a meme that peter and carleas and every other liblover will never be able to mentally understand:

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@Peter_Kropotkin hey now, isn’t this you in this picture?

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@ProfessorX

I remember during the Floyd nationwide riots the concept of “All lives matter” was considered racist by liberals because it took the focus away from black oppression.

In fact a woman was murdered for carrying a sign saying just that.

In my experience most liberals are emotionally hysterical, I’ve lost faith in them understanding much of anything these days.

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Of course it must be Israel’s fault that your country is a cunt. How weak and pathetic you must be.

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@VictorMcCheeseEsq

You ought to know since you’re one of the settlers that lives over there.

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I wish.

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@VictorMcCheeseEsq

You’re a woman, go be somebody’s shiska.

You get to go live in Israel and I get the benefit of never hearing from you again. Win, win.

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@VictorMcCheeseEsq

I almost want to start a GoFundMe public fund for you to help you get Israeli citizenship or at the very least a Hebrew sugar daddy.

You’re just the kind of internet stalker I have never wanted.

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@VictorMcCheeseEsq

האם כיפת הברזל שם עובדת?

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