Mangod (Mankind)

[Tork]

Now that man is capable of managing himself (Beside absolutely natural events, which we are on the verge of destroying ourselves with anyways.) does that make “us” the gods? Should there even be religion?

We can decide gods cards before he plays them, can/should we become independent from daddy?

[Sha_Tara]

@Tork

Now that man is capable of managing himself (Beside absolutely natural events, which we are on the verge of destroying ourselves with anyways.) does that make “us” the gods? Should there even be religion?

We can decide gods cards before he plays them, can/should we become independent from daddy?

Just came back on here after a 3 months sabbatical and I notice this post got no replies. Tork, if you’re still around, have you though about re-wording your query? I can’t shake much meaning out of it. If I break it down however, individual comments can be addressed:

Question: is man capable of managing himself? Not by my observation. If anything, man is de-evolving at an alarming rate, probably to do with population growth and natural resource depletion. Madness feeds upon itself, always. Man certainly has a lot of “management” going for him, but all that does is create ever-bigger messes all around. Man is not managing himself, he’s being clownishly mis-managed.

At man’s current level of willingness to take responsibility for his [personal] acts, he definitely needs religion. When you rely on a three-legged stool to sit upon, man’s being religion, government and money or finance (the Big Three), you cannot arbitrarily take one of the legs off the stool. You need to saw all three legs off, then either sit on the ground, or stand up.

Does a society become God when it holds enough power to destroy itself? Good question, and what does that say about the way most people see God?!

I don’t agree that man can now second-guess God, but should man become independent of God? Yes, of course, but the problem remains: man is so utterly incompetent at being man, let alone divine, how could he hope to take a single step without some god directing traffic and telling him when it’s safe to cross the street?

[Tork]

It seems to me that you chair theory is slightly flawed. Since all three are things that man has made and we dont need two of them (Money, religion) only validates my original opinion.
It is mainstream to think man is de-evolving, but really I see it as a time that most man are de-evolving only so that another side of man can be shown. It only takes a handfull of shepperds to lead a flawk to better grass.
Either way, it all depends on how you say it, and who your saying it too…

[Sha_Tara]

@Tork

It seems to me that you chair theory is slightly flawed. Since all three are things that man has made
[This should be outside the quote] How easy it is to say things like, “man-made” when the origins of so much that goes on here are veiled in history that goes beyond even that of Sumer and the clay tablets. Did man invent religion, government and money? Really? What a poor inventor that he still, to this day, has no clue how to handle these creations of his, that the power these things put in his hands are beyond his understanding and he continues to struggle with disaster upon disaster in attempts to make these things work FOR him rather than against him.

and we dont need two of them (Money, religion)
[Again, this should be outside the quote] Before anyone says neither money nor religlion is needed, one must be able to demonstrate how one does live without either. Religion is a pretty slippery snake. It isn’t just mythical beliefs in God or gods. Religion is faith, no matter what is believed IN. It is inextricably tied to the other two Power systems I mentioned: government and money. Hence why I taught myself long ago this very handy mantra: believe all things, believe IN nothing. If man ever hopes to stop fighting over religion, i.e., beliefs, he’ll have to come to that spring and take a very long drink.
only validates my original opinion.
It is mainstream to think man is de-evolving, but really I see it as a time that most man are de-evolving only so that another side of man can be shown.
[This is outside the quote] I’m game: what other side of man will be shown by man’s current de-evolution in terms of immorality, decadence, utter disregard for the sacred (life) and dishonor among leaders? Will it be the new man arising from neo-capitalism aided and abetted by computerized technology a la Jack Abramoff of Casino Jack fame? The heartless droid-like quants of Wall Street? CEO’s and banksters of trillion dollar debt fame?
Philosophically speaking a full-fledged human needs neither religion (God if you will, though for me it means faith) nor money nor government, but particularly government, i.e., rulers. A human is an evolved being who is self-empowered, self-disciplined, empathic, compassionate, innately aware of the one law of life that overrules all others, or renders all others meaningless: you shall do no harm unto any other. A human will take the harm unto herself (himself) rather than cause harm to another and that process disarms evil - ultimately.
It only takes a handfull of shepperds to lead a flawk to better grass.
[This is outside the quote] From my considerably lenghty observation, the better grass has been trampled in the mud of so-called material progress and the shepherds have all become wolves in sheep skins. Where is the better grass? Whom will the flock trust and follow, and to what end?
Either way, it all depends on how you say it, and who your saying it too…

Yes, that is a truism if ever one was penned, and thank you.