manipulation = neglect

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A advertisment that sticks out in my mind because it embodies this subject…

Sponges just spread bacteria around, this is proven,… by disposiable wipes.

How did they fail to mention that any chemical would cure this problem. Or even the home remedy of microwavinf the sponge will cure this. I always by dish soap that is antibacterial anyways. Well, sir, it just wasn’t convient to their cause. Taking advantage of the nieve is easier then educating them.

How can we as a country sit by and endorce this through turning our head??? Doesn’t this type of advertising explain why the news/political agendas is why they are the way they are.

And this is just the tip of a big ice berg. I can go on and on about biasness news and how they show the opinions from only the side they affiliate with. I thought unbias news was the reason for freedom of speach. Then corperations came along, and debunking them has to do with money. Yes money is freedom. Now we have to compete with the time alotments of peoples mentally stressed minds from a mentally stressed work force.

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I don’t think that freedom of speech has anything to do with news being biased or not. Unfortunately I think lots and lots of news is biased. We are humans and we tend to be biased about things. Some people think the NY Times is too right wing for their taste. But I just mention that usually most media outlets will have their own slant. It is difficult to be completely objective all of the time. That is what happens in a perfect world. That is what the news people should aim for but not really be expected ALL of the time to acheive, I think.

But you know what they say: let the buyer beware (caveat emptor). Of course the ad agencies always present things in a biased way; they are trying to persaude you - NOT convince you. Convincing you would mean they give you the facts and let you decide. But persauding is when they tell you should buy this product because it will make you look cool to your friends or something. That is always for you decide in the end, if that product does in fact have real merit. So don’t be persauded by ads but instead to always think like a savvy shopper.

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so your saying that I need to lighten up. And the ignorance of opinion is up to the consumer.

Your right, yet, when they claim scientific studies,… well we need to reevaluate the truth in advertising commitment.

How about accountability. How to you make neglect accountable? You shoot them down for their ignorance, and let the consumer know. That means compeating with the time they buy.

Facts in advertising is limited because they have 30 seconds, and people don’t want to listen. SO the very game has become manipulating people in order to get their attention. That means exageration, and trying to associate their product with images. Like how water or cars is advertising an escape from work life. Yet, people are stuck. Their choices are limited by convienance and corerate selection. What am I supposed to do write a book.

But really when anybody compensates for a lacking,… they usually have a psychological problem. They are unable to deal with their lacking, so they avoid and redirrect with an overcompensation.

So now,… consumer reports is a obvious advantage. Yet, it’s inconvieant. I bet corperations would go out of the way to make it inconvient. In an overcompetitive product market, it’s too hard to stay on top. But I’d pick a company that stays on top 90% of the time. I’d choose a product according to practicality and quality over image. In this, you’d see their is little to brag about in the product placement department. Then people would see money in a new light.

A new light would mean a new way of buying products. A new light would mean looking at how you can beat the market for the long run. All so you can cut cost of living, and spend time doing more important things. Including more vacations. We’re the richest country in the world, and corperations are controlling home life by dominating work life. The consumer wants more, they just don’t know where to get it.

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There’s a very basic truth you’re missing: THE CHOICE IS YOURS. No advertisement can FORCE you to do anything. It can persuade, but that’s about it. The consumer IS responsible for what he/she buys; no commercial can make them do something. They could CHOOSE to trust an ad, but that is THEIR CHOICE, not some sinister advertising ploy. If someone is encouraged to do something by someone and they do it, the person who did it is responsible, not the person who encouraged it.

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brain washing through limiting perspective.

Enough said.

Did you know they used to say that you should spend 1/4th of your salery on housing. Now they say 1/2. Now as work stress rises, the biggest reason for divorce is money??? No, there is no parrellel there for cause and effect.

Getting children involved takes free time. People come home from work brain drained and sit in front of brain dead TV (not made to inspire thought but just react). So children look for instant gratification as easy as hitting a remote button. Hence the new liberalistic views are to use things for what you want from them. You know your first relationship is going to fail (not because you are looking for the wrong things or anything) so you might as well use sex like a drug (instant gratification). Then they are rewarded with learning more about sex, but their sexual section of the brain is getting filled with anything but their spouce. They learn an image to love and not a person, and thus distract themselves from reality of what an ideal mate it and how to work out marital problems. Thus they believe that marriage is bad for you because they cannot make it work. Then all of the soul ties they gain from the people they sleep with. Well, it just furthers their life style.

True fullfillment comes from being saticfied by what you do spiritually. I do spiritually like sex and alcahol,… but these are not my choices to balance my demeanor. Work stress balanced with a destructive lifestyle??? How can it be good???

Hobbies and interrests teach you to think for yourself. They teach you motivation. Give your mind order. Give you a sence of accomplishment. Give you social strength from talking out problems. Makes you love yourself for what you can do. Other people love themselves for what others see them as. If they can’t add up they are depressed.

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Actually I agree with you about parents come home drained and don’t spend quality time with their kids. Those kids grow up not knowing how to spend time with the family and enjoy it. (People can also come home and not spend quality time with their pets too.) Most times people turn on the TV because they don’t or won’t make the effort to have a meaningful conversation with their kids, or try to do something engaging like play a fun boardgame or something. The objective being to try to connect with their kids on an emotional level, so they kids feel loved and appreciated. Most kids today don’t have any interests or hobbies, they watch TV, the play video games, etc. But they bored and want something to take their boredom away; the problem is that only they can take away their boredom, but have never learned this from their parents or role models.

So, I have to disagree with about interests and hobbies to teach to think for yourself. I think that is true to certain extent. But what is lacking most times with children and also pets, is discipline. People spoil their pets and they don’t teach their children all that much about discipline either. Parents may not have learned this themselves. Discipline teaches you to work at something, to have a sense of acomplishment when you finish the task.

Children given structure are really given discipline or rules. They know what is expected of them and they work towards goals. When they achieve those goals they feel not only a sense of acomplisment but this helps their confidence too. If you don’t learn discipline it can make it hard to become a leader. A leader needs to be intimate with the concepts of discipline in order to instill discipline in their workers.

Basic dog training can help you teach your child about discipline without the child feeling like discipline is about rules for THEM. Dog training is a way for a child to learn leadership skills. Dog training is usually about learning how to be dominant with your dog. Dominance is about leardership. Dog training is about understanding the basic concept of the alpha male or the top dog. The top dog is the leader. Being a leader requires some confidence. Children are not taught discipline and never really develop much confidence because they don’t get tested or challenged enough because parents are not interested or simply overworked. People frequently spoil their pet and never give the pet the discipline it needs. This is very common with pets, but probably indicates that parents probably don’t have much sense of discipline for their kids either. Too many out of control kids. Parenting is a difficult job because it requires the proper leadership skills that parents may not have learned themselves growing up.

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as an inspiration, dog training will only get you so far. When teaching children disipline, punishment should reflect the dangers of braking the rules. So the pain of a spanking will be associated with drossing the street without looking. When a kids is all amp, they need something as dramatic as their energy to make them stop and think. Punishment isn’t fear, because it is reinforced with logic. So it becomes a redirrection of motivation. Good cop bad cop parents work. But parents who use only positive reinforcement might raise kids who expect too much. If you reason with a kid, you teaching a kid to use their limited reasoning skills,… and to compramise baced on what they want in their mind. To teach a kid to look for different alternatives altogether, you need to force them to look in a whole new dirrection. Wake them up to the things the may take for granted. Or just get them to get that idea out of their head.

Idol hands are the devils play thing? Well it’s true. Slothly people will do what easy and convienant to their goal. If they demand high excitment at the touch of a remote control. Well they will only try that hard. Disipline is found when you see the fruits of making mistakes. Disipline is from actually doing stuff that requires disipline.

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See you seem to want to emphasize about disciplining children. I think kids can grow up feeling resentful of all the discipline they get.

That is why I mentioned the dog training. Teach your kids how to train your dog and you kid learns how to be dominant. Disciplining is not just about “having” to follow rules, but also about having to enforce those rules sometimes. If you give kids a change to learn how much effort it takes to discipline a dog then they appreciate what parents do when they have to punish their kids. And, yes, they may be too young to understand complex issues or the philosophy behind this stuff but give them something concrete might help make the point.

But my point is that if kids learn only about discipline because they have all these rules to follow then they may feel resentful, or want to rebel against authority figures. But if you can use something like dog training to help them learn the philosophy behind discipline then they see it in a different light. Just like saying to kids “what do you think your punishment should be for breaking this rule?” That has the kids seriously thinking about what discipline should or should not involve. Show them that discipline is NOT always someone telling them the rules, but sometimes they can be the one disciplining the dog or the younger sibling (after a certain age children will babysit their siblings). This can help them understand WHY there has to be these rules that are enforced with them.

But I think it can help kids to learn responsibility by learning to train dogs or learning how to babysit their siblings or even giving them some chores or a job to do around the house. Being a kid is all about taking on more responsibility and showing parents how mature they are becoming. But always being told “do this,” “don’t do that” does NOT teach children how to be responsible or how to think for themselves. Sometimes you have to give them some opportunity to be their own person; to learn from experience what they are capable of doing. Taking on new responsibilities teaches kids how to be their own person, how to think for themselves, how to learn from their mistakes.

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The only mistake you’ll regret is one you don’t learn from. Spare the rod and spoil the child. IE a woman I know has a 5 year old. She gives him time outs, but then he’ll curse his mom and refuse to listen. Children often test the limits of punishment. Once they figure out that there is no repercussions for doing wrong, they’ll not listen. This mentallity is even seen in adults. But then that mom was a single mom,… and the sterness of a father was absent from punishment.

So you think giving a child a sence of dirrection and right and wrong can be obtained through pets? This may work for a few children,… but then again it should only be able to work a percent in these children.

I agree, in that you can’t just take something away and not replace the void. My mom was that way. And I rebelled because I was board and needed excitment. So the real answer is that idol hands are the devils play things. Keep children involved, and their social life will be parrellel with the things they do.

Responciabilites like training your mind and body with interrests and hobbies. A body in action is a harder force to stop (disease wize). A mind in action is stimulated and producing growth spiritually and mentally.

A parent has the respocability to give children food clothing and shelter. Then love and attention and acceptance. Self acceptance comes from likeing who you are. All you are is what you do in life (everything else is circumstancual). Giving children responcability is a great way to give them dirrection. But dirrection involves so much more then what you have limited it to.

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I used dog training because children can’t discipline their dolls or toys. They can’t babysit their siblings too until they are of a certain age.

But, yes, a hobby can be helpful but still might be limited if the child is young. But sometimes children or adults may think that finger painting is a hobby when some might consider play. There needs to be structure and rules.

But I agree that having something to pursue, such as a hobby is one choice only. Giving children chores is another, but the extent of chores is limited by the age of the child.

The idea of having a dog was to “show” children discipline in action but not directed at them. Dog training is about discipline on a small scale, basically.

And many, many parents do not discipline their children enough. They probably don’t have any clue either on how to train their dog. And sometimes when people learn that their pet is much happier being trained and exercised (like keeping kids busy with activities) then they have all that they (dog) need.

Actually dog training says discipline, exercise and affection for your dog are all of its basic needs. Children need the same thing. The exercise can also be play or activities (hobbies) which is also how you can bond emotionally with your child, when engaged in fun activities.

Children get bored because their parents don’t spend enough time with them, helping them be creative and helping them learn. Dogs get restless because they don’t get exercised enough. Dogs will misbehave because they don’t know the rules. Same thing with kids.

You can visit someone at their home and watch their dog to get a sense about what kind of parent they might be. Obviously there are differences between training a dog and raising a child; but so many people don’t get the discipline part of the dog ownership equation. Those same people will probably have bratty kids too.

But there can be other ways of engaging children in activities where they learn responsibility and “consequences” and enforcing the rules. It can be hard to think up all the ways of teaching these things with young children because the are so immature and learning basic stuff. Dog training was an easy and obvious example to use. Dog training is an excellent example of discipline in action on a small scale.

That mother of the 5YO is not being consistent. Consistency is about being a good disciplinerian. Parenting is a tough job that needs people who are capable of being tough when it comes to the rules. Parents will give their gives too much affection out of guilt for working long hours sometimes. Dog owners give their pets too much affection and the dog is the leader of the pack (the dog thinks that way and gets territorial). Having a pet also teaches the parent the importance of discipline.

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I agree.
Children can learn an objective view point to their own situation by role playing a parent to the dog. It would be a great tool to building understanding toward cause and effect of actions. Taking the dog for a run as a part of chores would also be great.

Now how to draw parrellels toward training your own body for sports. Or the routein needed to actually learn to like working out. Starting the day with a jog could be great for children predisposed to a depressing lifestyle. The natural release of adrenaline and endorphines would create the lifestyle needed to control a balanced body.

  1. 3 times a week for arobic work out. 15% percent toward good circulatory system and a physically fit body (witch physical beauty is being physically fit and an even flow to features. Then having a ora of confidence witch people desire. people tend to be attracted to others who have what they desire. It’s even funner massaging a physically fit body).

  2. having all of the neutrients needed to maintain a physically fit body prevents partial brain and body crashes. Another 15%

  3. learning how to handle stress. Healthy stress is stress you learn from and pushes you to excell under pressure. !0%

  4. having joyious hobbies and interrests that naturally produce motivation to life and endorphines. 20%

  5. having meaningfull relationships where you help people with your strengths. 100% coincidding with the other percents.

  6. all the rest I think would be circumstancual

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