Manmade Religion? Is it all about lies, shame and delusions?

(…) writes:

“Should we pursue all possible knowledge or should knowledge be censored, edited, selected, maintained, and tampered with so as to allow only that which best serves life? Or to put it differently: Is ignorance true bliss? And if it is, should we will such ignorance so as to better preserve our bliss? Of course, one then must invite the question as to whether “bliss” is the final value, the final measure of value of a life?”

V:

Manmade Religion? Is it all about lies, shame and delusions? It is surely not about finding truth.

“The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is not the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the unknown: it is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its boundaries a little further from our little sphere of action.” ~ Huxley

Yes, ignorance can be bliss, just as the bliss an alcoholic finds when in their drunken stupor. The problem is not in the discussion of truth, the only problem is when people try to ‘block’ the discussion of truth. Prejudice, hatred and ill will can never yield true peace. These actions of destruction require ‘some thinking’ on the part of the person that seeks bliss through mind manacled ignorance and tries to destroy others with their actions of destruction due to an insobriety of personal opinions. There is nothing wrong with having personal opinions, but when we use these opinions to destroy others, then it does become very wrong.

The prejudiced, blind, small minded thinker cannot entertain freethought as they must block or censor the ideas and concepts before testing them for truth. Their ego will not allow it! Such people do not operate on truth, they operate on ego. The difference between an authority and an authoritarian is this. An authority speaks from a place of truth and such speaks as an authority. Whereas an authoritarian rules by fear and not by truth. For the truth stands on it own and the authoritarian stands on their EGO. We all have to use our ego when making value judgments, but the crossover come when the ego is used as a weapon.

As Horace told us, “Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt–You can run away as far as you like but you’ll never get away from yourself.” The person that lives by prejudice and hate carries it with them wherever they go and eventually it rots them from the inside out.

Let me give you a little background about myself and censorship.

I have been on about 210 forums over the last 9 years and have been banned from about 70% of them due to prejudice.* The vast majority of these forums have been dedicated to personal improvement as well as spiritual studies.

Now with Christian forums it is 100% ban rate and Buddhist forums is 90% ban and atheist forums it is about 85% - 90% ban.

But this ignorance is universal ‘human’ in nature.

Psychologist William James once said, “A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.”

Let me give you an example that has happened to me in the past.

In the bible it says “Test everything; hold fast to what is good; abstain from every form of evil,” (1 Thess. 5:21)

Taking from Christian, Buddhist and most other religions of the world I discuss such tools in my posts no matter their source. When I talked about this ‘concept of testing’ and related it to the Buddha’s tool of testing doctrine, but included this bible quote above, I was banned by the Buddhists. Yet the Buddha also encouraged testing of his teachings before adopting those teachings.

At a Christian forum, when I brought up the Buddha encourages testing just as it was said in the bible, the Christian forums banned me.

Then at the atheist forums when I mention the Bible and the Buddha both offered the tools of testing to help determine truth, the atheist sites ban me.

Yet, all three groups like the idea of testing for truth, as long as this idea comes from them and not from anyone else…many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. Alan Watts use to say we define ourselves by our enemies. We define ourselves by what we are not. He used the example of ‘Beatniks and Squares’ which were the in fad opposites back in his day. So of course it is natural for these groups to view themselves as polar opposites.

We should always be interested in finding truth and peace. If our way is not working then some other way may help. It is good to test and see the results and not get caught up in prejudice blocking the way. For with such tests, ‘the proof of the pudding will be in the eating’ and decisions on how to live will not be left only to your ego, but will be grounded in peace.

The three unwholesome roots of delusions, greed and hate are very basic to a a Buddhist practice. Out of these three, delusion is the foundational root, for without seeing delusions for what they are, you cannot distinguish the other two unwholesome roots of greed and hate. People suffer from delusions in all form and not just deity worship. Atheism, while freeing ones mind to think, but it does not guarantee one thinks right and acts right. This is the importance of replacing wrong religious beliefs with right thinking and right living.

For instance, I was banned from many ‘so called’ Buddhist sites such as Esangha, Tricycle, Shambhala, Buddha Chat, 12 step Buddhists, Sangha-Pauahtun, eBuddhism, etc even though I have been a freethinking Buddhist for nearly a decade. Some people claiming to be Buddhist think all they have to is shave their heads, adopt a silly name, be a vegetarians and burn incense to be a Buddhists…all the while they are doing great harm to others, Which is how it is with many Buddhist forums that are ‘for profit’ and run by ‘spiritually sick’ individuals. Currently, it is a sad state of affairs with such online Buddhist groups.

I’ve been on dozens of Christian forums and I have perfect record at the Christian forums…100% banned…and I was a Christian myself at that time I tried to join them years ago.

I was able to finagle my way back into one Christian forum though:

christianforums.com/index.php

But I could only stay if I claimed to be an atheist…and I do not post much and keep my mouth shut…and if I do post it has to be something non consequential. Also I am not allowed to post with the Christians. I can only post to the atheists. I like that forum as it reminds me of the ‘sickness of attachment,’ so that is why I put up with all the prejudice. At that forum you can ‘buy your armor’ to outfit your avatar to shield you from evil and ‘trade blessings’ with each other.

The Billy Graham and Catholic forums banned me after my first posts…then they solicit me for months on end asking for money. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry?

Charity? Humility? Reciprocity? Freedom of Faith? Truth? And of course…Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself???

I’m afraid Christians don’t practice what they preach…at least at their forums. (Even the Buddhist whose mantra is ‘Do No Harm’ ban me 90% of the time at their forums, so they are only a little better than the Christians.)

Atheist forums are not much better at freethinking. Been banned at evil bible dot com, ethical atheist, Internet infidels, X-Christians and others.

How do I find peace with all this prejudice?

By knowing

“With the same material one man builds a palace and another only a hovel.” Russell Cromwell.

and accepting people are not perfect, nor am I perfect which is just as the Taoists tell us: “fleas come with the dog.”

So, my vote?

Seek truth and realize that as Aristotle told us: “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it and to rest satisfied with the degree of precision which the nature of the subject admits and not to seek exactness where only an approximation is possible.”

*Note: this figure of a 70% ban rate would be more like 90% of all forums that would have banned me if able to. Many public forums do not have the ability to ban me, but have expressed they would like to ban me if they could, such as usenet.

V (male)

Welcome the the ILP chatboard. I think you will like it here. Everyone says what they want as long as it’s civil. (Check the board regulations under Announcements.)

You can’t blame some people for trying to make a home online for people like themselves. Christian and Buddhist sites are for those who agree on some basics of belief. Sorry if you feel like the odd-man-out. As for their asking for money, I’m sure that’s just automated computer output.

Thanks, however, for including the Christian site link – I need a place like that.

Finally, let me propose that real religion is not only man made religion, but God-made religion as well.

They don’t mean you harm. They just need a place for themselves.

my real name

V,

so what is you subject? You and how often you have been banned?

Quit starting up threads that are all basically the same subject - you!

Shalom

“Man made religion” is allot like a “man made Mars Bar” or a “man made Coffie Grinder”. Each ‘thing’ they make gives back something other than what it is. Memories, for example, are energy processing matrixes, which bare specific fruits other than the raw energy given.

Actually, in scholastic thought, the cause of the effect has the form of the effect in a higher way. The man has the design of the mars bar or ground coffee in his mind in an ideal manner. The machines used to produce this in a material execute this design on the material. So, really, they don’t give back what is different than what caused it – except for the new artifactual form on the matter.