That can’t be true because your basically revolving everything around us. God is contrdictory, when i said why waste his time judging us when he already knows the outcome? I basically meant, God is all knowing, and for him to be all knowing, he must know everything that has happened, everything that is too happen, so that must include him knowing how he judged us. So why dwill he bother to judge us if he already knows the outcome?
And beeajin, can you see clearly now how this ‘god’ uses so many human vices? (we use courts and judges and so doed ‘god’) Though god is not human…far from it i would imagine.
Life isn’t meaningless. At the same time, life isn’t fair. At least not fair, as far as our hearts go. We hunger for justice, but we rarely get fed. Far too often what passes for justice is just authorized vengence.
There is at least one place were everyone gets exactly what they deserve: in fairy tales.
God is not contradictory, He gives us freedom to act freely but we must face the consequences in the form of fate.
God is all knowing only to the extent of what has already happened. He does not know the outcome and even though He can predict fairly well, He would not try to interfere and change it unless fate must intervene because He gives us freedom to act and then He is just. Like which part of all this do you not understand?
And He is not careless or heartless like you to spell peoples’ names wrong or make countless spelling mistakes and abuse verbally like you abuse God. Idiot!!!
God uses no vices 'cause He has no use for them.
If a STUPID MORON like you is so against God and abuses God verbally so much as you have then how come to you, “God is our deepest dream?” YOU are the contradiction here, not God! I’d say to you keep dreaming for the rest of your life!!!
I refuse to discuss anything with you in the future 'cause you don’t have a brain nor a heart either because you abuse my name and also the name of God verbally and the english language as well.
Fairy tales are fairy tales. It does not mean that we take an example from them and make them our philosophy of life and living, no! That would be a big mistake. Fairy tales just make for good reading and pleasant entertainment.
I never said anywhere that life is meaningless. I also did not say that life is un-fair either. Life has meaning and life is fair too but in the long run usually. But most of all we see what we see in life because life is fated too depending on our course of action in this life or the previous, that’s why it may appear to be un-fair at times.
Well to be honest, i dont’ understand tha fact that ‘God’ has over 300 names and one which happens to be ‘the all knowing’, but how can this be if he only ‘knows’ to a certain extent. Would that not mean that he isn’t the ‘all knowing’? And if he isn’t the all knowing then how can you call him ‘God’?
So if ‘God’ knows nothing of the future, and nor can he control fate…then just who exactly does? …You say that he can make a good guess, but why guess if your God? Are you telling me that God is unsure and that your willing to believe in ‘something’ that claims to know everything but in actual fact only knows as much as we do, which is the present right?
So God uses no human vices? Well, doesn’t God say that Heavan has eternal rivers which flow with wine? I may seem iggnorant to you, that’s how i may come across to alot of people, just because i don’t believe in a god. But why should that make me a bad person Beenajain? …Just because i refuse to believe…that seems really ‘selfish’, yet again, a human vice.
I refuse to argue with you or make comments at you on a forum, but i did apologise in advance just incase i did offend you. I didn’t contradict myself at all, i say that ‘God’ is our deepest dream and i mean it, everything about a ‘God’ is good, ‘God’ is everything that we want in our life, gods existence would make life meaningful and not empty, gods existence would give afterlife and stop the endless worries about complete oblivion after death, that is what we dream of, and that’s exactly what we have done, created our deepest dream into a myth, but for some as yourself…it’s alot more than just a my
For reference; i do not verbally abuse anybody, how can i abuse something that doesn’t exist…and never has?
I’m really sorry to call you by all those names. To make a long story very very short, I think that, God is consciousness, consciousness is the mind because without a mind we cease to exist or know not that we exist, even though the food energy is there and mind is the spirit because they are both no quantity, occupy no space, exist in nothingness according to our universal laws, are both pure and cannot be seen but both can be felt just like we feel there is a God! And this God is the Highest Justice so life can be fair to all but only in the long run because we are all free to act. So the consequences can only follow later as fate. Ok?
Some remarks for this misleadingly driven thread by the self-called philosopher BeenaJain :
Very dogmatic. Why it has to be that ? Can you give a mere proof why should we believe it?
No there’s no test at all.Turn to science,you can find more plausible and substantial answers than you’ve ever thought. For concise universe explanation I recommend you : Hawking’s- A brief History of Time.
It’s fine popular science’s best seller and suitable for beginners.
So you accept subjectiveness in one’s responsibilities and about fate in general. So why is there any special need to create and raise an objective judger such as your god? I guess none,the whole religions trip can be firstly attributed firstly to primitive man fear for the unknown and then due to believers’ gullibility to some -heavenly sent- dogmas
The meaning is personal to everyone and covered under a veil of inextricable subjective reasons, often influenced by his environment/principles and society’s standard tenets. Find your own i have no problem with that.
Again that’s not enough for me.Heart is blood pump and nothing more, I can’t assume any intuitive metaphysic feeling
I belived in nothing.Even your eyes can deceive you
False and arbitrary analogy.Between something corporeal(water) and something unreal(spirit) there can be no correlation. For an empiricist like me unreal is merely inconceivable.
.About freedom is attributed to Heisenberg’s law of uncertainty in Quantum physics, in case you didn’t with catch up with modern science.Everything is probable in microscopic atomic level thus indeterministic laws occur.
Reality as it exists apart from observation is the deterministic expression of Schrodinger’s equation for the Wave Function
I hope you weren’t serious. But then i can expect any better from such a devoted god’s follower
Only every Homo Sapiens that lived till today will be examined? What about our anchestors , apes? I guess not them. Then from which point in history the pruning and judging of humans will take place? From 40,000 b.c. and forth? From 10,000 b.c.? Before what point living beings won’t be considered humans? I don’t expect an decent answer from a Creationist cause he simply can’t find any truth in his bible like religious textbook. Evolution provides again better answers.But that’s another big topic.
Not ok. Define first God, consciousness and then attain a correlation.
And morals & fairness as I stated is way subjective.There’s no absolute fair as there’s no absolute good/evil.
Stupid is a superfluous word.
As you said. He is --NOT–
Yeah,I’ll go to hell … hmm but hell…what is that…
No , such things as heaven and hell don’t exist. I have no fear.I’m self confident and not bow obsequiously to anyone like god’s believers. Self-respect for thyself comes first .
''God?Well ,there’s no need for such an addition. "
Pierre Simon Laplace, 19th century’s french scientist
Some religions may not differ from fairy tales
1st:All homo sapiens’ have brains.
2nd:Hearts too
3nd:I won’t abuse your god any more, in case you provide me with plausible and valid proofs that he exists. I’m becoming a bit egoist …
Trite remainder from my Nietsche’s readings…
and now some thoughts of mine to rami’s questions
1.He is not anywhere.God’s personalization really perplexes things.Believers claim he’s everywhere.
2.Again a paradox that can be solved when rejecting god’s superfluous addition
3.Nay,common religions nonsense.Prophets role as intermediary don’t make sense.Why are they chosen? And why should i follow any parochial,insubstantial and arbitrarily written books such bible and the other religious textbooks?
Things in our nature’s perception have totally changed since 2000 or 1400 years ago , humanity furthered itself and managed to explain nature’s more precisely. I think nowdays there could never possibly be in any way, a potential new religion’s creation.Its followers must either dumb or unable to follow contemporary themes in world’s explanation.I don’t claim everything is explained, at least science’s arguments are raised more credibly and most scientific models made much more satisfying steps in giving answers rather than the soothing,neverchanging,stagnant and compromising religious dogmas.
Cheers to xanderman and other skeptics
In anticipation of a non-biased,-within the limits - civilised and dialectically arguable reply of yours,Thx in advance,
fatesrych
To make a long story short, there must be Judgement Day or the big exam and the tests in the form of fate are all through our life simply because we cannot have something like tests and exams in our life if it wasn’t inherent in our life dictated by our genes that God initially created. Get it?
As to responding to the rest of your post, I suggest that since you have no appreciation for me anywhere but only criticism and nothing really substantial to add from your side in the process, but particularly because you like the posts of xanderman and other skeptics that you think so highly of and congratulate, I suggest that YOU have no use reading my posts and they are a waste of YOUR time, as such I suggest that you not waste YOUR time in the future reading my posts. Please, stay away from them!
…You say that he can make a good guess, but why guess if your God? Are you telling me that God is unsure and that your willing to believe in ‘something’ that claims to know everything but in actual fact only knows as much as we do, which is the present right?