March of the Drones

Following the 1998 bombings of two US embassies in East Africa, the ‘New Jackal’ Osama Bin Laden became a designated enemy of the state. For the final two years of the Clinton administration and the first year or so of Bush II, Osama was tracked as he moved around Afghanistan, and in and out of Afghanistan. As the story goes a land-based assault i.e. sending in a Special Forces unit to find Bin Laden and gun him down, was considered too risky and fundamentally very difficult to carry out. Instead, we got the Predator drone program. There were apparent disputes as to who would pay for the drones, since they were a DoD technology but it was essentially the CIA’s mission to track Osama. The drones enabled much more update information about where Bin Laden was, thus shortening the ‘kill cycle’, the time taken to confirm where a target is and then launch a missile or two to blow up that farm/camp site/aspirin factory.

Shortly before 9/11 they hit upon the idea of arming the drone aircraft itself, rather than relying on some warship to launch missiles from potentially hundreds of miles away. They tested this technology in the summer of 2001 - too late to stop Bin Laden doing 9/11 ( :unamused: ) but so that there was an established program in place that could be used after 9/11. Phase one of the ‘War on Terror’ involved full scale invasions, massive military expenditure. The current energy and credit economies can’t support that so instead of another Bush we got Obama, who firmly identified with the drones (how ironic). From 2008-2010 we saw increasing use of these unmanned killing machines, supposedly used to kill all kinds of miscellaneous Muslims/alleged Al Qaeda bigwigs/Pentagon intelligence assets. It has become the default way to write a character out of the story, Anwar Al Awlaki being the most obvious example.

During this same period we saw an expansion of the remit of the War on Terror beyond just Al Qaeda, and the notion that it was some kind centralised hierarchical organisation was widened so that any remotely radical Muslim was considered a physical threat and hence a target. In the two years or so since then the mythical terrorism umbrella has been widened yet further and now encompasses almost anyone who opposes the state. The Occupy movement, the Ron Paul movement, Anonymous - all have been associated with terrorism despite none of them being violent. They’ve also dug up some old friends in terms of the Irish here in the UK and the white militia over there in the US.

We now have drones hovering over our cities here in the West, spying on us. They are even talking about arming them, though to my knowledge that hasn’t happened yet. In any case, it is a steady march towards constant surveillance and near-total political control by a central state. One story I read the other day showed that there’s something a bit more insidious in the works, a sort of hybrid of the nightmares offered by Orwell and Huxley.
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One line in the DSB report itself stood out: ‘Unmanned systems have blurred the distinction between operations and intelligence.’ On the face of it, simply an observation that by having weaponised surveillance drones the same machine can both spy on people and kill them. However, consider that the report also cites the problem of having human analysts looking at all the video taken by these drones:

The logical conclusion, therefore, is to have machines analysing the images. Another human limitation is also addressed, this directly from the DSB’s report:

Use the machines to train the men how to use the machines. What could possibly go wrong with that? It is in the drones that we the conjunction of the Orwellian security state and the Huxlian transhuman AI agenda more than in any other aspect of all this. I find that deeply worrying and aside from buying stinger missiles I’m fresh out of ideas of what to do about it. Hack the drones, maybe, and use them to deliver food supplies to remote areas.

Interesting, I’m suprised that they seem to be treating the inability to examine all the information from the drones as though it’s a new problem, I saw that from a mile away.

I had somewhat of a drone experience. Kind of.

I’m a state park fanatic, and in the winter spend a huge amount of time in the back woods. Somebody started flying their ultra-light personal aircraft around the park at tree top level, circling around and around and around all day long. Picture a large loud lawnmower following you around in the sky, while you try to “get away from it all”.

I definitely experienced strong urges to blow it out of the sky.

Instead, I emailed the state park manager, and the flying mysteriously and immediately stopped. Later I realized it probably was the state park manager who was piloting the flying lawnmower.

Anyway, we are idiots, so the drones are coming. It won’t be long before you won’t be able to fart way out in the woods without it being stored on video tape in some government database. Thank god I’m going to be dead soon, and thus won’t notice the camera they install in my coffin.

Just to give a little input for your time line;
In the late 70’s I was discussing with another engineer his late 60’s drone designs for GE.
In the mid 80’s I had designed (in crude form) a fully emotional android hell bent on his own survival at any cost.
Being an intelligence designer, it didn’t take me long to put 21 and 21 together.

As you discover the Drone Wars, you might think of yourself as somewhat of a historian.

The question isn’t “what can you do about it?”
“It” is already done.

The question is “how can you survive it?” and “in what form?”

And it might help to keep in mind, “You can run, but you can’t hide”… as long as you run along designated routes.

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Why would the leader of a terrorist group use the release of a video on the anniversary of that group’s greatest ever triumph to announce the death of his deputy?

Given that U.S. military tactics have, for the longest time, been simply to preserve troops lives whatever the cost to whichever country they are fighting in, drones are an obvious next step. Obama is a master of this tactic. You cite chasing of Bin Laden as the reason for these developments, I think this was certainly the immediate goal, but the actual motivation was probably the hope that fewer flag-draped coffins would be arriving back in the states. As wiki has it, for Drone attacks:

Bureau of Investigative Journalism:[3][16]
Total reported killed: 2,562 – 3,325
Civilians reported killed: 474 – 881

I find this ratio of roughly one civilian death to every five combatants to be staggeringly unacceptable (especially seeing as most of those ‘combatants’ were probably civilians that the US decided to post-posthumously label as ‘terrorists’), but unfortunately for the people being slaughtered, the only important ratio is how many locals die compared to how many troops. A lot of helicopters went down during the bush administration, even after the war ended. They still frequently go down, which kills several troops at a time and almost always makes the newspaper. Drones are an obvious remedy. Plus - they’re already in the sky watching people; why not arm them up?

Something of a subpoint to your main post, but not to be overlooked. When certain ‘anti-terror’ devices were coming in to effect, people who said they could easily be misused were labelled scaremongers, but it really didn’t take a long time before the UK and US governments started calling everyone they disliked a ‘terrorist’ and using there new systems to punish these people. Assange, for example, and Bradley Manning have both been directly accused of ‘aiding terrorism’; the American administration subsequently oversaw the persecution (including torture) of Bradley Manning and is clearly trying to get its mitts on Assange. The Obama administration, basically, seems fond of labeling ‘whistle-blowers’ as ‘terrorists’. Luckily for Obama, Bush did all the groundwork in creating illegal prison camps for ‘terrorists’ as well as riling public opinion against just about anything labelled a ‘terrorist’. Obama, being a democrat, gets to use these systems with even less shame than Bush did, and still somehow come out looking better off than Bush internationally because he’s a big, friendly democrat not a mean and nasty republican.

A masterpiece of U.S. propaganda. How do we make this whole terrorism thing seem scary? Link the vast numbers of fragmented political sects and organisations left over in the Middle East from the cold war into one, Mysteron-like organisation and suddenly you can do just about anything you want to in the Middle East. Come late 2002 Iraq, for example, was suddenly awash with links with links to Al Queada, even though it was pretty obvious to every expert that these links did not exist. Then, start painting every radical with the Al-Qaeda brush so people think that they are literally living among us and are all around us, and everything America does will suddenly seem worthy of Captain Scarlet. The US really hit, right on the spot, the correct way to exploit the simple minded way most people see international affairs.

Back to the main topic in hand, drones are particularly unwelcome as spies. The idea of surveillance drones creeps me out a bit, primarily because unlike street level cameras, there really is nothing that civilians could possible do about them.

Drones are just the next logical step the USA is taking to ensure its imperalistic foreign policy driven by the need to fuel the American bourgeoisies’ comfort and obesity with cheap foreign resources.

Domination systems prefer instruments of power that are ubiquitous.

People in the US want to figure out a way to have the best stuff in the world, and the most free time.

When the rich get greedy here, it’s dangerous for the world.

They cut domestic spending until the people are poor and angry, then they point at a country that has stuff, and they say, “they’re evil!”.

Then we try and go get that country’s stuff.

Man you gotta know that a country that has all these bombs is gonna have a hard time explaining to it’s people why they are poor.

They should have never built all those colleges.

Long story short. Drones are a good thing. None of our people have to die, and they’re crazy efficient at killing people.

Hello SIATD v2,

“Training: There is no high-fidelity training environment for aerial unmanned system
pilots and sensor operators. In fact, there is no computer-based training system for
Predator crews that operate in conjunction with real-world weapons tactics training. A
full simulation is not available and is sorely needed to ensure the level of proficiency of
aerial unmanned crews is maintained. It takes the Air Force a full ten months to fully
train a Predator crew member. The Army only requires three months. These vastly
different approaches need to be reconciled and more focus given to using autonomy
technologies to enhance training.”

Use the machines to train the men how to use the machines. What could possibly go wrong with that? It is in the drones that we the conjunction of the Orwellian security state and the Huxlian transhuman AI agenda more than in any other aspect of all this. I find that deeply worrying and aside from buying stinger missiles I’m fresh out of ideas of what to do about it. Hack the drones, maybe, and use them to deliver food supplies to remote areas.

O- How did that part of the report create this idea in you? You say “Use the machines to train the men how to use the machines”. The report is talking about “there is no computer-based training system” and that “A full simulation is not available and is sorely needed”. In the world of commercial aviation, such things are a given already. It does not mean however that machines are training men, but that teachers in the field in question are turning to technology to deliever standarized training, created by humans and converted into computer programs and simulations which follow regulated and humanly determined content.
I just wanted to clarify that before the conspiracy web got spun out of hand…if it has not already happened.

I think your characterisation of this as a ‘conspiracy web’ is utterly ridiculous. Are they not talking about the need to use machines to train the men to use the machines? After all, if you spend the money on machines to train the men you have less money to spend on teachers. Same basic logic as those automated checkouts in supermarkets.

Just because automated training occurs elsewhere does not mean there’s no problem with it being used to train the people flying the killing machines and that everything is hunky-dory. I think you are deliberately equivocating, comparing apples with oranges and seeking to trivialise the trajectory this has followed and the speed of change and development in the field. What’s wrong with you? Have you never seen Robocop?

I think your characterisation of this as a ‘conspiracy web’ is utterly ridiculous. Are they not talking about the need to use machines to train the men to use the machines? After all, if you spend the money on machines to train the men you have less money to spend on teachers. Same basic logic as those automated checkouts in supermarkets.

Just because automated training occurs elsewhere does not mean there’s no problem with it being used to train the people flying the killing machines and that everything is hunky-dory. I think you are deliberately equivocating, comparing apples with oranges and seeking to trivialise the trajectory this has followed and the speed of change and development in the field. What’s wrong with you? Have you never seen Robocop?
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Ridiculous? Fine. I hope that it is. But then you use the comparasion of Robocop and bells go off.
Computer base training is a tool. Yes, it eliminates teachers, but in aviation that is hardly perceptible, because even in a classroom with a teacher, he or she is bound by the content of lectures which are regulated by the FAA. He can elaborate about a point in the course, for example about HAZMAT collection sites, but he cannot deviate from the course objective which might be to inform the maintainer with information he MUST comply with or people die. Computer based training may also be simply a video of a teacher giving a lecture. Computer-base is simply a tool to deliever a standarized course, stream-lined, so that there is a manageable level of quality. Something bad happens, a lesson learned- it is quicker to address the maintainer community by sending a computer based lecture than to actually send teachers to every airport operating such and such piece of gear. But don’t fret. Teachers will always be a necessity. They are just being used more in conjunction with standarised systems. For example, a computer based course will almost exclusively handle general questions and situations. They serve as minimum standards. Taking the computer based training to run an engine or taxi an aircraft does not qualify you to do either. It only allows you to move up to the next step which requires an instructor. Simulators being talked about here, are again tools, not independent agents. A person determines what the simulator, well, simulates.
I have over 20 years of experience in this field, from both military and commercial applications. That is the nature of training. It is never a machine training a man or a woman but a man or a woman using machines (computer programs and videos) to train other men and women.

Of course it is…

I wish it was that cool.
But I guess you mean that children are getting indoctronated by violent video-games…
Question: What do you aspire your movies to do? What will they be about? What themes?

More that they are being trained by machines, without humans really being in the loop as you said they were.

I have already made two films, they are both documentaries made in a relatively normal, didactic style with lots of voice over and carefully selected archive and news footage. The aim of them was to present a condensed version of the findings in my own investigation into the greatest terrorist attack in London’s history, in the context of the history of state terrorism. I would post them here but that would only make it easier for Smears to identify me and find my house, which I’m sure is a fate that no one wants to inflict on me.

Looking forward, I do want to make some powerful fiction playing around with the same political themes I write about here on ILP. I have a great idea for a post-apocalyptic novel, a sort of 1984 for the 21st century, but I’ve got to keep that under wraps because I’m sure some mo-fo will steal it and though I’m not usually possessive about ideas this is an exception.

Hello SIATD V2,

— More that they are being trained by machines, without humans really being in the loop as you said they were.
O- Ha, ha…
Follow the money. It is created by people, humans, who want to make money. The themes chosen are violent because, like sex, it sells. The only training these computer games programmers want to impart is consumerism. New iPhone is comming out. The decision to change the cable was not made by a machine, but by folks who saw a sure way to boost sales by creating another necessity, another artificial necessity such as 1080p televisions to even pick up a television signal that was changed with the direct impact of making millions of televisions obsolete junk even while in the livingroom of hard working families, who bough, not steal, their TV set. Machines (unlike the Muslim Brotherhood) ARE products or rich men.

— I have already made two films, they are both documentaries made in a relatively normal, didactic style with lots of voice over and carefully selected archive and news footage. The aim of them was to present a condensed version of the findings in my own investigation into the greatest terrorist attack in London’s history, in the context of the history of state terrorism. I would post them here but that would only make it easier for Smears to identify me and find my house, which I’m sure is a fate that no one wants to inflict on me.
O- PM?

— Looking forward, I do want to make some powerful fiction playing around with the same political themes I write about here on ILP. I have a great idea for a post-apocalyptic novel, a sort of 1984 for the 21st century, but I’ve got to keep that under wraps because I’m sure some mo-fo will steal it and though I’m not usually possessive about ideas this is an exception.
O- Well, when that time comes, I wonder what reserved “good people” will say about the influence your film might have.
1984 is such a magnificent work, but it was post-apocalyptic not just because of the world and it’s structures, but because of the post-modernist view of man. “Man” was another idol to be overcome.