Marijuana

Today i’m out of MJ (like most days) out of meds too, which means today I get 600 calories (700 yesterday) instead of the 2000++ I need. I’m not addicted to pot but reliant on it to function. I don’t miss it when its gone, I just suffer more and don’t eat. I essentially feel like i’m tired/energyless (because I lack food) without it. I’m lookin for better meds but so far none work, i’m fairly worried pain killing doses for me may mean respitory depression. I’m taking medication shown effective in cancer patients to treat pain (300mg highest safe medical dose) and it just makes me tired, not even groggy just tired.

Through some miracle i’d love to smoke a J or something today’(not really i hate Js) besides that is there synthetic appetite inducers that work as well? I don’t have much more weight to lose.

Marijuana rules, i’d probably have literally wasted away without it.

Living with chronic pain tends to wear on me. Day by day I’m around 6-8 on a painscale; 5 is standing on a sprained ankle, 8 is comparable to a bad migraine or childbirth (allegedly). Though i’ve hit ten and blacked out spontaneously (down the stairs). I rarely ever get 1000 calories a day. Marijuana and only marijuana has provided me any* relief bringing pain down to a consistant 5 or 4.5, still agonizing but almost tolerable.

Its just annoying, i’m literally starving (VERY slowly admittedly) i’m ravenous right now and I can’t eat. I could drink a whey shake to ensure daily protein needs but I can’t then brush my teeth without inducing agony. I’m literally in pain due to hunger, its irritating in a house full of food. I feel horribly trapped today, like i’m trying to run in sand.

I’ll try to grab an appointment with my GP and head over to the pharmaceutical building but i’m not very hopeful.

Its really fucking annoying. I’m in the process of reading “Homicide” and pain+no food equals no coherent reading/learning. All I want today is TO FUCKING LEARN SOMETHING IMPORTANT but no, instead today is going to be another useless, pointless trial. Its certainly not building my personality in any note worthy manner opposed to chipping away at the very things which define me as an individual.

Education is like biking up hill now, I have to put in x3 the effort to get the same gains. Its worth it certainly, I just miss simpler times. Which is absurd to fuckin’ say at 22

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Best of luck and hang in there.

I could eat tree bark too, lacking clinical trials supporting its use in pain relief I won’t eat that either. Niether should anyone else. Essiac is classic, sold by idiots to desperates dying of cancer, I remember threatening to call the cops for animal abuses to some woman feeding her dying pets that shit.

Also a tumor promoter in trials. (the only trials that show effect). Promotes breast cancer cells and other tumours, Essiac. No thanks. Animals treated with that shit have more numerous/faster growing tumours.

Thats the danger of herbal treatments.

I know about it and it does do what you say in the wrong amounts. Like any drug will cause health issues if taken wrong. So you study and learn what when where and how. Or just give up stick to your pot and suffer. Its your life mind and soul. Try other avenues or not. I should have known you would have been rude and an ass at any such suggestion of help from me. I guess I am just an idiot for having a soft heart. So F off.

Just found out my current script isn’t covered, at all. 50$ for meds that don’t work but have to wean myself off.

Shit man, by the sounds of things you are in the most perfect position to learn something. I don’t mean this to sound retarded, but have you tried getting pissed, maybe you could have a few beers then grab some food…

Booze actually helps the pain when I get a bit drunked up its just not some-thing I like getting into much. For #1 I kinda drank away my love of booze between 17-19, so hard liqour is pretty sickening to me right now (maybe forever) beers which i sued to hate are pretty awesome, but the price to get me a decent buzz/drunk on beer is pretty steep (6foot 200pounds), for a one in a time thing its great though. I do pick up booze maybe 4 times a year, some beers, it helps. but besides that i’m not much of a drinker anymore. Not even sure why, its like i’m repelled from it without much reason why.

What have you tried, I’m not much of a connoisseur (sp?) but if lager ain’y your thing then try wine, or whatever, if it helps with the pain the it’s cool and it might help you stomach some food too…nothing like a kebab to increase your daily intake of calories :wink:

Marijuana is an herbal treatment.

Kriswest any medication or herb which can control pain does so by altering your body chemistry. I told you i’m on opiods that do nothing, why would Essiac? with NO trials to support it? Bark COULD cure me, its not an issue of me wanting pain to avoid both though.

Would I give my sick cat Essiac? No because it’d hurt him, its a toxin, let alone humans convinced it cures based on nothing. I never knew Essiac regrew entire joints?

I knew a religious nut who fed that to dying animals, it made them sick (toxin) and cured nothing. It was horrifying animal abuse, I saved animals from that insane, cruel and stupid fate. No dose has ever been shown to cure. I wouldn’t take it if only because I’ve extensively studied it and flor-essence (+4 herbs) its poor shit’

I’d break someone’s god damn back or neck if the stuff ended up anywhere near my cat. As should ANYONE.

Ever watch a tumerous dog force fed doses of Essiac? I hope not, its fucking sick.

Either way I wish I was dumb enough to get a placebo effect from Essiac. Since i’m not its a poor suggestion, thanks for caring enough to make it though’

What are often classified as toxins have long been used both in Western Medicine and in Herbal Medicine - Eastern, Western, any - for Cancers, Rheumatological disorders, etc. Well trained professionals in either camp are aware of the toxic effects and know that these are short term treatments, generally, with potential side effects. Pharamceutical companies do not for a second back off from indigenous suggestions about plants known to be toxic. And even if these companies cannot remove all or any toxic effects of these plants or specific chemical in them, they will still market them if the benefits seem to or do outweigh the dangers/adverse reactions. Even a wide range of over the counter medications are toxic and some can be used to commit suicide in larger doses. Many are liver toxic - and kill significant numbers yearly - when used for long periods.

Things toxic to use are often toxic to microorganisms. Toxins also stimulate body processes that can be helpful in a wide range of conditions. Further any drug that shuts down some process in the body - pain, allergic response, etc. - can be and likely is toxic because it is suppressing normal body functioning. Steroids are wonderfully toxic in prolonged use, for example.

Cyrene what is your diagnosis if I may ask? I don’t know where you live, but if you come to Alabama, we have great hospitals, and I have weed 24/7 in relativley large amounts.

Silly rant silly. Do you know what else is toxic? Poison. (like Essiac). For thousands of years people have claimed cures but besides delusional claims and a lot of dead people theres nothing to show for it. Outside of EVIDENCE(clinical trials) why drink a tumor promoting liquid?

It was not silly or a rant. You used toxic AS IF this was sufficient to dismiss something. It isn’t. I also have different experiences with Essiac and know a number of people who treated themselves with it. Two out of three recovered from cancers that their doctors had given up on. IOW the doctors had decided that Chemo and radiation therapies, talking about poisons and toxic, would not be helpful and that the best thing for them to do would be to prepare for death. Anectdotal evidence, of course, but none of the three suffered one tenth of the side effects with Essiac that they suffered with Radiation or Chemo. Again, not proving anything about effectiveness, but, again, pointing out that toxicity is not a good criterion to dismiss a remedy especially if the issue is extreme or life threatening or the treatment can be short term. You were implicitly generalizing in ways that were misleading.

“Poison” is a relative term. Chemotherapeutic agents are poisonous as hell: that is the point. So the fact that Essiac is toxic doesn’t necessarily argue against its anti-cancer properties. Plenty of medicines have come from traditional sources. Now, the studies using animal models that have been done suggest that, at best, it may slow the progression of some types of cancer (prostate) but not others (leukemia, sarcomas/epithelial cancers, and so on). That would incline me to suggest against using it, unless you have prostate cancer and no hope for treatment. Even then, I probably wouldn’t. A lot of people want to avoid treating prostate cancer because of the negative side effects, so I could see people opting for the snake oil over the real treatment.

In cases where modern medicine has failed, hey man, any port in a storm. I’m not gonna say ‘no’ to the people who want to use any means they can find to treat their illness. But at the same time, chasing shadows usually isn’t a good idea. A family friend died because she tried some hippy-dippy treatment instead of real treatment. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

In Cyrene’s case, I’m also not sure why recommend it. While I can’t comment on his condition, a lot of chronic pain sufferers tend to have an autoimmune disorder. Even if Essiac works as advertised, stimulating the immune system would be the last thing you’d want to do! Additionally, the problem detailed in the OP is a problem with feeding. Since Essiac causes nausea, I don’t imagine that would much stimulate the appetite.

There are, however, herbs that have been shown to stimulate the appetite (surprise! Marijuana is one of them. But there are others, though they are probably less effective. Check out some anorexia groups for lists, since both groups have an aversion to eating). Another option would be some Rx for eating. I’m sure Cyrene has tried many of them (Megace, Decadron, Reglan, etc.) and found them ineffective. If Cyrene hasn’t, I’d recommend that he give those a try. Possibly with a new doctor (if possible) so he can candidly explain his stituation. Communication between offices is usually pretty poor, so if you leveled with a strange doctor things could be easier, “Hey doc, I’m in constant pain. No, I’m not here for that, don’t worry. My problem right now is that I can’t eat. In the past I’ve used marijuana to treat this problem, but you can understand that it is a less than desirable solution. What I would like is a legal drug that can acheive the same effect.” But if you’ve been through the gambit of all those drugs, fuck it, ask 'em. You’ve already got a morphine Rx, right? Or some other heavy-duty opiate/opiod. It isn’t like you’d be branching deeper into bad territory (technically not true due to silly drug ratings, but most doctors are also human beings who realize what the score is).

Perhaps a, “soft,” hard liquor such as amaretto would benefit you. Disaronno is quite tasty. It will also help you sleep peacefully.