Marriage

:laughing: :laughing: Are you dodging the question? I asked about you, what would you do? Throw her over or accept life without, to share her life. Lets pretend there are no Mistresses. My Grandfather had one due to my Grandmother’s incapacity, she in fact encouraged him with this one lady so that he could be happy and of course not wander around too much. The two women were friends. But we are a different generation. Sexuality is viewed differently you men are supposed to be strong enough to ummm, think with your other brain, you know the one on top of your shoulders. :smiley:

Why use your brain in matters of sex? Your penis does the talking or what have you. Ahem.

I would probably end up using interweb porn.

And that is a respectable way. See so a mate is far more than just sex. Sex is or should be gravy or icing. I mean really the average orgasm lasts a whole minute if that. Oh boy oh boy :unamused: Thats all a partner is good for? What the heck do you do with the rest of the time :laughing:

A whole minute I knew I was doing it wrong. Sting is a God of tantric sex though and I am not so I have my orgasmic limitations. I agree it is not the be all and end all but it is a very important part to most people and naturally so. If it is not then fair play romanticism and unrequited love are still alive and kicking. Unless you think it just means unreturned favour then it never died anyway. There’s nothing more depressing than finding out the one is the one that fancies another.

That reminds me a friend is reading Death in Venice I never could stand the film, too depressing and boring but maybe the book will explain why there’s more to life than sex if anything does. Even if its not my bag of sexual desire it still speaks volumes: by denying passion you deny life itself and meaning I think, passions are not sex they are requited in sex but not extinguished. Pardon the pun btw. :laughing:

Ahh romance. an illdefined action of caring and showing that you ā€œloveā€ someone. Most think of romance as dinner and dancing. A token of sacrifice in order to appeal more sexually favorable. I don’t see romance quite that way. The most romantic gift I ever recieved was fishing tackle from my husband. That told me he wanted to spend time with me and share in the same pastime. He was not thinking of getting in my pants. He was actually excited about us going fishing on the river together. He wanted to be with me not my body. That to me is romance. He had no intention of sex but, boy did it work later, That was a romantic turn on. :smiley:

Unrequited love usually turns out to be just an emotional lust for sexual activity. If you desire sex with a person. I mean you get a real hard on and you are not allowed to touch that person well. You will go to fantasy land and build a passionate relationship in order to sate the desire of unfullfilled painful lust. That fanciful relationship envelopes the soul that person begins to see it as real. I think the only real unrequited love is one that MM had. A spouse that you shared your existance with has passed on leaving you behind. That is real unrequited love.

I think that polyamore is a very valid, and many times successful lifestyle. It’s not just a good old days thing. Sex is more then raw pleasure for those who know how to practice it correctly. It is a sharing of the spirit, an energy exchange, a mystical experience, a means to enlightenment, and a union of souls. Marriage is over-rated. It used to be meaningful but has turned into nothing more then a three party contract between the two parties and the state. When you get married you marry the state as well, and bastardize your children as wards of the state. If you don’t think the state owns marriage, then ask yourself how it is that they license it. I personally would prefer a simple hand fasting ceremony which is a spiritual/magical bond rather then just a legal one. It is actually calling upon a divine force to bless your union rather then swearing liability towards the continuance of the union. Furthermore, I think that whether or not you are monogamous should be a decision that is made individually between the couple. There is no right or wrong answer there. It depends on the needs and desires of the couple. Everyone is different. I personally know a lot of poly couples. Some of them both date others, some of them only one dates others, the other is monogamous. And of course there is the standard double monogamy. It can work in all three cases. There are even triads and quads that work rather well. I know most people would have some sort of moral objection to this sort of thing, but there is really no reason to. I say to those biblical people, just because you read it in a book does not make it true. That and the fact that the bible appears to support polygamy which is a male only version of polyamore and makes no real sense in my opinion. But to each their own.

Marriage is unnecessary what simple band of gold could say what you really feel?

That said if I had to I could get married before the village council with a Druid or some shaman present if that’s what was required.

Well what you say is true but, for the legal needs of the children marriage is beneficial. Legal heirs , parental decisions for medical and legal reasons Oh and of course taxes. Besides very few people actually marry for legal reasons at any rate.
There is nothing in wedding vows that is about legal aspects. Love honor cherish richer poorer sickness health til death.
I see nothing legal there. Just soul vows telling the other person that you will stand by them and love them. Of course most folks think sexually just to get laid and so divorce rates skyrocket because horny people think they actually love and know the other person. :unamused:

Civil ceremony grants the same fundamental rights to atheists and heathens. Marriage is unnecessary if you get all the same tax breaks you do from being married by a Shaman.

ā€œI think sexually to get laid?ā€

No really? So that’s why I’m not getting any, I should be carefully assembling my armies in a battle to end all battles?

Ooops boy did that sound stupid or what? :blush: I um meant that many folks marry for lust not real love but, they think they love. And so divorce occurs. I think the older you are the less you marry in such a way, companionship comes first.

Especially when you are 92? :smiley:

Right, any contract assumingly has benefits for all parties involved. So you, your husband, and the state all have their own interests in the contract. But personally I don’t do deals with the devil. You never come out on top with deals like that. Everybody knows the benefits, but nobody knows the penalties in the fine print.

:laughing: Sidhe, I worked in a Nursing home back when I was 15yrs old. I saw my first real sexual act there Two folks past 80 getting it on in the parking lot. You ae never too old to touch another human with intimacy. So you can’t get it up, forplay can be just as fun when you are having fun. If you think that was a rare event in a nursing home you would be very very mistaken. Old folks can’t always do the mechanics but, they sure do try. :wink: :laughing:

So deals with the devil eh, dreamscaper? Well thats cool. Your Devil is my bliss. I would not trade what I have for anything. You fear the law, I and mine make it work for us and our family. Its no different than trying to survive in the woods or the desert or jungle. Survive and thrive is most important. You would complain that the woods were being unfair to you because it did not make a tree a ready made home for you. You would say the desert is cruel because you had to hunt for water. And Jungle is heartless because things try to kill you. No matter where you live, how you live or who you live with, there are rules.This world has its rules. Lands have their rules. You live and die by them. When you live within a social body you live by the rules set down. You can whine about it, try to change it ,work with in it ,thrive by it or leave it. Every where there are rules. Human rules and laws are no different than the world rules and laws. Except maybe if you make a mistake with a human social setting, you probably won’t get killed outright. In the real world you would probably die from a mistake.

With Viagra and even without: where there is a will there is a way, whether you can will it that way is a matter of contention. I only said that it becomes less of an issue love making, but if you are still as horny at 92 as at 18 then fair play! :smiley:

Love and lust conquers all :banana-dance: :banana-dance: :banana-dance:

dp shazbat!

And destroys all if history is any guide. :wink: :smiley:

ā€œHelen was the face that launched a thousand shipsā€

The Illiad, Homer.

She wasn’t even that great looking but an Empire crumbled because of her. Never underestimate the power of any force to do good or evil. Even if either is a matter of perspective.

Sounds obvious, but the obvious is often quite true.

I’d say even marriage can be a cage or a paradise, but seldom is either but some in equal measure. What determines if loves lost or last is common sense and a realistic understanding that pobodies nerfect.

:laughing: Very true and I will take love and losing love over never experiencing it.

ā€œ'Tis better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.ā€

A philosopher poet I don’t know the name of, off top of my head. :smiley:

I think he had a funny mustache and wore puffy pants. :laughing: