Master Complex

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Freud believed in the

Id; the need for pleasure and avoidance of pain
ego; Id’s interaction with reality
Superego; the punisher for going out of control

These three apparatuses were supposed to exists in the subconscious

I propose that there is an area between the subconscious and conscious wherein lies the master complex

the master complex is the link between the conscious and subconscious that gives us our personal purpose in life

A major point of life is to have a purpose. This purpose is unique to ourselves.
Where does this purpose come from? I believe it is the subconscious apparatuses that in unison create the purpose when interacting with the conscious

I think the master complex composes two apparatuses

  1. the need for argument in order to discover purpose
  2. the need for perception in order to dissever purpose

This gives us a complex (as an extension of the three apparatuses of the subconscious) to need to be master of our environment

Don’t tell me theres no proof, as this is just a concept, to be proven

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As an extension of the master complex,

i think all psychosis exists, because the superego is non existent in psychotic patients

and that as such, they have no self control of their personal fantasies (id)

so that would mean that without the superego, the master complex can still exist

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as an extension to this, we can say that all larger groups have that master complex, that purpose as a group, and that need to master their environment as a collective.

also, can we say that the collective has a superego?

and that when the superego fails, it leads to mentally warped societies like nazi germany?

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IMHO–Good OP. Must think about it before contributing. Will wait and see how it fleshes out. I think Paul Tillich in “The Courage To Be” addresses the psychologies of facism and communism.

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thanks dude.

this is just a concept so would need contribution in order to crystallize

also,

i believe that the conscious, the master complex(which exists in what i would call the semi-concious) and the subconscious, exists in a continuum.

But the reason i went from the individual mind to the collective mind is because i’m reading a book ow by Jung called ’ Man and his symbols’

He believed in the collective consciousness, thus my interest in mentally warped societies

I believe any society (including the united states) can become mentally warped after a trauma like 9/11, or the trauma that Germany faced after world war 1, which led to Nazi Germany

However, all mental warps can be healed over time if the superego is allowed to be reinstated

in the case of nations, i believe the superego is the freedom of expression, which fights back the fantasies of some elements of society

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another question

can we say, that as a principle, all mental conditions of the individual exists in the collective as well in parallel?

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but it is not just the superego that has failed the psychotic (twisted moral judgment)
but also the ego (their perception needed for the id)

leaving only the id to exist in the psychotic state

a mentally warped society is one in which only the id of the society exists

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So was then the Iraq war moral if it brought about a trauma on the iraqi society, possibly leading to a mental warp?

we know 9/11 was immoral because it led to that specific mental warp in the US

However, we can also argue that even before the iraq war, iraqi’s were living in a mental warp, and that we gave them tough love in order to free them of their mental disease

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i’ve also come to the conclusion that if we want to study abnormality in the individual mind, we must first study abnormality in the collective mind.

what happened after 9/11?

was there not a fleeing towards conservatism, i.e., the superego?

the superego of society was being strengthened.

could we say that this is an after-affect of trauma?

the over strengthening of the superego, because the id was going out of control in every direction?

were they not happening at the same time?

and america regained its mental composure, because the trauma was not enough to drive it towards permanent psychosis?

just thoughts, your contributions will help me write this book

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IMHO,it’s sad that this thread is getting so little attention. I’ll try to address the matter from my perspective and from readings.
What I am is a given, owing to an evolution of genetic extensions. Who I am, because I am am conscious of being a singular Self, owes to feedback information from adaptations to environments, from contact of Self with what is Other.
It is possibly true that religious or political systems are extensions of certain common aspects of individual psyches. These systems derive from our drives to adapt to environments in order to survive and to cope with our understanding that we must die.
We make these systems and adapt to them as well. It’s an informational feedback loop.
Nazism and Communism are, according to Tillich, forms of neocollectivism, i.e., based on protection of Self and ideals for Self-affirmation as provided by the group. He see Nazism as a reversion to primitive collectivism, which he describes as animal nature self-affirmed by ritual and rite. He describes Communism as a collective based on ideals. Neither collective, IMHO, addresses the totality the human psyche.

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i completely agree with your assessments
i need to read this guy tillich

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Thanks. Tillich’s classic, to which I’m referring is “The Courage To Be” (1952). The genetic, evolutionary suggestions are mine.

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What’s your real name so I can give you credit in my book

Let me get this straight… Ur suggesting that the evolution runs parallel to societies mental warps

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You don’t need me as a reference. There are so many who say these things better than I could. Read, Google. Suggestion–write what you want to say. Then, research and revise.
Parallel? Doesn’t that imply two things? I’m a monist.