masterbation rocks and is safe!!

Ok, religious folks,

What do you think of masterbation??? Is it of the boggie man, or is it ok?

from wikipedia:

In his 1999 book, Biological exuberance, Bruce Bagemihl PhD documents (p.71, 209-210) that:

Autoeroticism also occurs widely among animals, both male and female. A variety of creative techniques are used, including genital stimulation using the hand or front paw (primates, Lions), foot (Vampire Bats, primates), flipper (Walruses), or tail (Savanna Baboons), sometimes accompanied by stimulation of the nipples (Rhesus Macaques, Bonobos); auto-fellating or licking, sucking and/or nuzzling by a male of his own penis (Common Chimpanzees, Savanna Bonobos, Vervet Monkeys, Squirrel Monkeys, Thinhorn Sheep, Bharal, Aovdad, Dwarf Cavies); stimulation of the penis by flipping or rubbing it against the belly or in its own sheath (White-tailed and Mule Deer, Zebras and Takhi); spontaneous ejaculations (Mountain Sheep, Warthogs, Spotted Hyenas); and stimulation of the genitals using inanimate objects (found in several primates and cetaceans).[30]
Many birds masturbate by mounting and copulating with tufts of grass, leaves or mounds of earth, and some mammals such as primates and Dolphins also rub their genitals against the ground or other surfaces to stimulate themselves.[30]
Autoeroticism in female mammals, as well as heterosexual and homosexual intercourse (especially in primates), often involves direct or indirect stimulation of the clitoris […]. This organ is present in the females of all mammalian species and several other animal groups.[30]
and that:

Apes and Monkeys use a variety of objects to masturbate with and even deliberately create implements for sexual stimulation […] often in highly creative ways.[30]

Here is an essay that might interest you:

klienwachter.com/Roy/David.htm

As for the topic of masterbation . . . I think the concept quoted in my sig could be applied to masterbation as well as mediation.

While masterbation is undeniably fun, what is the purpose beyond merely having fun with ourselves? In falling back on ourselves and hyper-sexualizing ourselves, what benefit is there to one’s self or one’s society? While people of all walks of life masterbate, it is worth examining the sort of person who routinely purchases pornography or other related materials without a partner. It creates an inward looking individual who looks to themselves to fulfill their carnal desires as opposed to an outward looking individual trying to both please and be pleased by others.

Certainly in moderation it is a fine thing, but all-too-often masterbation becomes an end unto itself, rather than a balance or corrective. Does masterbating make you a calmer, more socialized person; or does not masterbating make you a more frustrated, angry person; or does masterbating make you a more isolated person by ritualizing that isolation? The first case is fine and dandy, but the latter two suggest a deeper problem.

But to sum it up…

Porn can give you tastes that are unrealistic.

When child molesters learn to get off on a child, they have overtaken that part of the brain with a spacific taste. So every time that section of the brain gets stimulated, they have these memories.

I think they love the child, but only parts of the child. Their imagination fills in the gaps to reality.

I agree with Xunzian and phil.

Well, I do take issue with jumping from ‘pornography’ to ‘child molestation’. Likewise, I am unsure that pornography gives unrealistic expectations or tastes. Women in pornography, after all, are much more realistic than the women that more conventional media avenues (such as TV, movies, magazines, ect.) present.

I also don’t know anyone who has gotten kinkier because of watching porn. Now, it is true that kinky people will seek out kinky porn, but I think that kinkiness is the egg and the porn is the chicken. Indeed, some of the kinkiest people I know would rather look at fairly vanilla porn and some of the most vanilla people I know look at some seriously disturbing stuff. In the case of the former, I think that it is because kinky porn focuses on the kink and thereby forces the viewer to actualize their loniless as opposed to just getting off. In the vanilla person’s case, I imagine that kinky porn is cathartic in some way.

As for the fragmented love that some people feel, I agree with Phil that it is present and is a major problem – but I think it is also so incredibly widespread right now that to address it as a phenomenon limited to child molesters (and, presumably, others than Phil considers to be sexual deviants) is a mistake. Look at the divorce rate in America (and Europe). I think that people are too used to expecting perfection and use their imagination to fill in the gaps and flaws of others until they are forced not to. This collision between reality and fantasy creates dissonance in the relationship and leads to its destabilization and decay.

But that, I am fairly certain, is quite far removed from the topic of masterbation!

Xunzian

Assuming when phil talks about expectations, he’s not referring to the physical, I actually agree with him. Pornography presents unrealistic expectations of what typical women enjoy, what they are willing to do, and how to treat them. His example of pedophilia was a bit extreme, but there’s plenty of things you could use to fill in that gap.

I do. “because of” is always going to be unprovable when it comes to psychology, but I’ve seen as close to proof of this as a person can find.

Fair enough. I’ll cede the point on pornography making people kinkier, because an instance where it has occured (even an anecdotal one) is more than enough to topple my sample population.

As for your comments about pornography and what it creates in terms of expectations . . . I could make the same argument using romantic comedies, dramas, ect. So, I am unsure that pornography should be singled out in that respect.

I definitely agree with you about romantic comedies especially, creating false images of what a relationship is supposed to be like, or what to expect out of one. I think if there’s a difference, it’s that romantic comedies aren’t the subject of fixation quite so much.

Double check that one with 99% of the females out there.

For men, romantic comedies aren’t. But for women?

Well, I’m wondering. I mean, I like horror movies, enough that I go out of my way to see ones that aren’t even that good, if I haven’t seen them before. But fixation is something other than liking them, right? Do women seek romantic comedies for a ‘fix’ in a way similar to men sseeking pornography?
Anyways, far be it from me to make pronouncements on the female mind- that’s never gone well.

As it relates to us as human beings, I feel masturbation is perfectly normal and from what I understand many sexual therapists believe masturbation, done both solitary and with a partner, greatly enhances one’s sex life with another person.

Masturbation is more than likely another aspect of human life that got it’s tainted reputation from that ridiculous thing we call religion.

I think this is a pretty subjective question, but I’ve known several women that when are horny but won’t/can’t have sex with a person, especially in this day and age with easy internet access, do watch porn. Or they turn the lights off, close their eyes, and fantasize.

Now, I’m not gonna judge . . . but I’ve been to my fair share of romantic comedies. Now, especially on opening night, look around you. You will notice some very ugly women sitting alone in the audience.
I don’t think tha
Are they there to get a ‘fix’, or are they there just to enjoy themselves? I suppose that depends on what you mean by ‘fix’. I don’t think they are gonna be pleasuring themselves during the movie – or even afterwards. But do I think that the movie fills a need/desire that they have that is absolutely unfulfilled/unsatisfactorily fulfilled in their life? Absolutely!

If you agree with that, then it just comes down to a matter of haggling over price.

P.S. Dead Silent? Looks terrible, but I loved Saw . . . so I’m torn. Your professional opinion?

Buster,
Indeed! I have known several women who do just that! But they aren’t the kind of women who seeks to satisfy her need on romantic comedies. Actually, I think the feminization of men thread has a few very good points on that subject.

Mm. If you keep in mind that the creators of Saw had nothing to do with the sequels, I think their names on Dead Silent have earned it a look. I’m optimistic.
I don’t think I have anything tasteful left to say on the primary subject at hand.

I agree, but it’s probably wise to only speak of it euphemistically, and in a way similar to that of women speaking on the topic of tampons.

I do see what you mean, but only to a point.

When most men watch porn, I think they realize that having sex with 3 maids that are only pleasing you is not something that in the real world can sustain a healthy, equal relationship and sex life, but that this is just fantazies.

I belive sexual fantazies can be a healthy, natural part of being a balanced person.

If you are a complete dufus, you might not realize the obvious ways that a woman likes to be treated, but fantazies is something that humans just do, and there is no reason to feel guilty for it. But this all depends on a persons personal love life, beliefs and such.

I think Uccisscore (sorry about the slaughtered spelling) interesting idea of masterbation causing the individual to look within to much for pleasure, I think that that is a very valid point, and something to watch out for.

I have however also read various things in mens health magazines about teh health benefits of masterbation. I am not sure how reliable the articles where, but their basic findings was that ejaculation strengthens the prostate, and those who ejaculated 5 time or more a week, compared to those who ejaculated less, had a substantial diminished chance of prostrate cancer in the future. And as we know, many many males get prostrate cancer.

sirswedishmike

 One would hope! And yet we have a rather pornographic culture, and people do get their ideas of what to expect from sex from these avenues.  I think fantasizing can be a fine thing, but my point about pornography is that it can give the fantasy some level of gratification, take it out of the realm of fantasy altogether.   I mean, everybody bitches about the effect hollywood and magazines is having on women's body image, and the demands it places on them- it's not enough to say "everybody should know a typical woman isn't going to look like your favorite movie star".   By all accounts, pornography is selling very well. I'm sure it's having it's effect too.  

That’s ok, it’s spelled X-U-N-Z-I-A-N. :slight_smile:

I do see your point about the image ordeal.

Ps. Spelling was never my thing, so I don’t worry about it at all. English was not the first language I learned as I child, I learned it after I was 10. I enjoy mispelling, it makes people think there is something wrong with me, … and I find that amusing, given that they probably only speak english and maybe one other language half-hazardly… but there is no excuse for spelling Xunzian like Uccisscore. Yep, no excuse for that one. :laughing: :laughing:

I think it is safe to say that pornography does give men unrealistic ideas of what to expect from women in bed, but is it the porn that is to blame? Consider this analogy:

Alcohol gives a person something to be addicted too, but take away the alcohol from an alcoholic, and they are likely to find something else to be addicted too. Whether it’s another drug, or sex, or work, or anything.

Imo, we don’t need substance control, or gun control, or any other kind of control, except PEOPLE control.

People need to spend time on their personal development, developing their own core values, self-esteem, and dependency issues.

If a guy doesn’t get his unrealistic idea of a woman from porn, I’m sure he could find some place else to get it from.

So I say, it’s the fault of the person.