Sorry, don’t hate me. 
huh? Who sounds like a man-hater?
So…just to confirm…it’s okay with you if someone beats the hell out of an innocent man? no big deal?
Um…the transgender “person” who hates his penis so much that he, for whatever reason, wants a vagina instead?
Transvestites are the results of self hate, in their own gender, and suffer the “grass is greener on the other side” syndrome. What most fail to realize is that, of course, obviously, men have it much worse than women. And males lead the harsher existence, because we are the “disposable, expendable” gender, while women are not. That’s also why “real men never hit women”. Women are immune to violence. Men are expected to defend themselves, or they’re “pussies” according to, well, everyone.
Have you ever stepped outside of your apartment or house? Welcome to reality. I learned this stuff in grade school on the playground, friend.
Of course, yes! Men have no protectors. As long as it’s not a female, it’s okay to suffer random acts of violence.
Don’t forget that men protect women, but nobody protects men, well, unless you include God as the protector of men. But even God is male, and therefore, men are the protectors, not the protected.
Men who are transvestites, and want to become women, have a legitimate and valid reason for doing so…because it’s easier, duh!
As I mentioned, this particular transvestite simply didn’t get to…whatever clinic offers these procedures these days…fast enough. Should’ve kept his junk in his skirt until castrating himself. Instead, he, she, it, whatever you want to call him/her/it, received a beat down. Sure it’s horrible to watch, and accept, but what do you want me to do, say, or feel here?
I only feel relieved that it wasn’t an actual woman. Again, that’s my instincts talking.
Am I in the wrong here? Do men deserve my or your compassion or something?? Isn’t it demeaning and emasculating to feel pity for men who are weak???
Men shouldn’t be pitiful weaklings, but strong, dominant types instead, right?
It’s incredible how messed up your understanding is of what it is to be transgender. It’s not about wanting a penis or a vagina, it’s about the innate aspects of a person’s identity and how they view themselves.
There is no deserve. Forget about that concept. Be compassionate about whomever you have compassion for. Have you never been compassionate about a man in your life? Have no one ever showed compassion for you?
Hello monkey,
— Where we agree is that the two women jumped to the wrong conclusion and subsequently violently attacked someone.
Where we disagree is that this is anyway acceptable. For a start, I see no reason why a transgender person using a public toilet should cause any more concern or alarm than a homosexual person. But more importantly, like Fuse just pointed out, their mistake still doesn’t justify this barbaric reaction.
O- No one said that their action is justified, but that it was understandable. I can understand why a man may feel compelled to kill his cheating wife, that does not mean I justify murder, but that I understand motive, injury, anger and just pure aggression. There were a thousand things they could have and should have done, even if they perceived a perv instead of a woman (and just for the record they might have beaten the girl simply out of disgust). They could have called the police for example. Unless in self defense, you have no right to beat anyone up.
That said, transexuality poses problems in public settings. Surgery reassigns sex in the mind of the person going through the surgery, but that does not mean that the rest of society sees in her a woman instead of a man whose penis has been shaped into a make-shift “vagina”. The quotes present a problem and a philosophical problem of identity. What is the big deal about a naked tit for example? Nothing. Just like a “bad” word, it is all in the mind of the other person. Man gets implants. Is his chest now obscene to be shown naked? Woman gets her boobs removed. Can she now take off her chest and show her once-tits? What is obscene? The extension or distention of flesh? What about “man-boobs”? Fat guy can exhibit his tit-like breast with impunity. Again the distinctions seem completely arbitrary. So what makes a woman a “woman” and a man a “man”?
Transexuals have to hide, in fact, because gender is the domain of public opinion. For example, suppose you are a dude at a bar and you see a beautiful chick. You approach her, you buy her a drink…only the person he is with was born a man. In that person’s mind she is a woman born in the wrong body, but will that matter? She now has boobs, an inverted penis…does she have to tell him? Yes, because sooner or later her body will betray her and give away a fact she much rather do without.
In this sense sexual orientation is much easier to incorporate in society than gender orientation, because gender orientation affects the public. A homosexual man will still use the men’s room, play in the men’s division etc, etc. A transexual cannot go in the room designated for her sex, but to the one she feels adequate for her gender. If participating in sports does she run with the boys or with the girls? And if she runs with the boys, does that give her an unfair advantage? If sent to prision, will the state place her among the male polpulation or with the female population? If the person was simply gay then this would not be a problem because sexual preferrence is a more or less private thing…you don’t even have to let anyone know about who you do or don’t do. But gender is our persona in the eyes of the world, it is who we are in the eyes of others, and in the eyes of the public, tied to our birth sex.
The time may come when we are so enlightened that such questions are already answered, but it is certainly not today.
— It was a women’s bathroom. They have cubicles only.
O- And? Maybe the girls came out of the cubicles with their pants still down. Maybe they were adjusting their bras. But hey, since they have cubicles, can a man go in there? If we put cubicles in all bathrooms, can we then drop the distinctions and call them unisex rooms?
It worked fine at the Australian National University, where I studied for 4 months…the unisex communal restrooms also included private cubicle showers…
Worked well at my uni too. I think this is a sensible move.
You have this all wrong, fuse, completely wrong… Think for a moment about where social acceptence of queers, homos, and transgender things came about from. It has to do with sexual liberalism, and believing that gender is something interchangeable, rather than genetic and biological. I’ll presume your thoughts side with the former rather than later on this one. Because you believe people can switch at will, their gender, then you still need to answer why this is the case, and what would inspire somebody to do this. For me, it’s much more simple. First of all, to want to switch your gender, you have to be a liberal in mentality. Secondly, you need to be a self hater. A woman or man, hates her own gender. Now for males wanting to become females, and have a vagina, it makes more sense. Becuase being a woman is easier in life, and an innately privileged position in life. But why would females want a penis? This is a more complicated answer. I believe females want a penis because they envy a man’s sense of “freedom” without realizing the hardships of what it means to have one, and the innate expendability of the male gender. Either way, the male becoming female suffers from opression, and wants a relief, while the female becoming male, wants to “prove somebody wrong”. Both are idealists. And the female becoming male doesn’t know what she’s getting into.
In fact, I would call the female becoming male an illogical approach to gender, while the male becoming female transgender thing, is much more logical and rational. But both hate themselves. Both feel inadequate “as a man” or “as a woman”, and feel that the other is a mere route to an absent sexual power. I’d go into this more, but it would compromise my position here. We may have to discuss this further in private.
I’m compassionate about my brother, who is male, but in a different way than females. Regardless, males are not expected to be helped, protected, or saved by other males, except through the Art of Warfare, in which case, comradery and brotherhood, fraternity, become necessities rather than luxuries, within the bossom of secular society.
In other words, if a random stranger is getting a vicious beatdown, then your reaction is going to change whether you discover it’s a male or female. You maybe a pure idealist, and want to protect “the weak”, but most do not think like you do fuse. Most will have a deeper fealty and sense of Patronship, to protect women instead of men.
If a male is getting his ass beaten on the street, at random, then I expect he did something to deserve it. That’s not true for a woman. I’m surprised you’re so ignorant not to have learned this lesson by age 6 or 7 in american society. Most people already know this, as children. Were you homeschooled or something?? I’m amazed by your idealism here. It’s very impressive.
I was taught, or rather learned the hard way, that males fend for themselves. I do not expect help from others, and I may or may not help other men as I see fit, depending on our friendship, loyalty, or whether they are my allies or not. For females, it’s different. The obligations and instincts are different.
If I were getting my ass kicked and suffered random violence, then I would not expect anybody to come help for me, or cry over my grave. In fact, if somebody cried over me for being randomly murdered or something like that, then I’d think he or she is a pussy. Males are not supposed to be pussies. At least this is how I was educated as a child. Maybe I’m wrong and you’re right, and that you believe males ought to be weak, cry babies, womanly, feminine, protected, pampered, spoiled, or whatever. I simply was brought up this way. I hope it doesn’t offend anybody. But it probably will.
I don’t really understand what culture you’re coming from, but it seems highly abnormal and very un-compassionate. If its a two person fight, maybe, but if its someone being badly beaten up by a load of people, and others are in the position to do something about it, they should.
Your saying that if one of your best friends got attacked and beaten to death on the street, you wouldn’t even be upset about it?
I’m not talking about where social acceptance of transgender people comes from, I’m talking about where transgenderism comes from – and it’s not from hatred of one’s sex organ…
No I don’t. I said gender comes from innate identity and how one views oneself. God, you write so much, but you don’t read.
There you go, then.
First, I think people in general do expect a minimum level of compassion from each other. Second, do you always bow to expectation?
I’m not sure I’m a pure idealist about protecting the weak…
Do you not think for yourself? I don’t argue that men ought to be weak or feminine or whatever…I argue that it’s horrible to treat a human being or passively watch a human being be treated in the manner this transgender woman was treated.
I’m not going to answer that question publicly, sorry.
My fucking reply just got cut off and lost, fuse… it was a beauty too, how sad.
Instead you’ll just have to accept this short response instead.
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You like The Sopranos, don’t you fuse? This clip should explain my point rather profusely.
Men who cry are faggots. And the entire western society of about 2 billion? people, men, women, and children agree with me. Now if you want to say that men can cry too, then by all means, go ahead and cry in front of people. Just don’t come to me, angry or sad, that they have lost all sense of respect and dignity for you.
Did I make the world this way? Did I dictate human morality and human instinct? No, I’m male just like you.
If you don’t like it, then I recommend a transgender operation.
Furthermore, a male who goes into the women’s bathroom is a pervert and ought to get his ass kicked.
Imagine if you walked into a women’s bathroom. Are you ignorant enough to say that you shouldn’t get your ass kicked, or that you would be surprised by the negative consequences? Don’t be so naive!
Am I wrong here???
Here’s another McDonald’s transgender beating waiting to happen, ouch…
“Young boy wishes to join Girl Scouts.”
news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/youn … 30922.html
Should I contact this kid’s mother and warn her to keep him/her/it out of McDonalds?
So a person gets beat up at McDonald’s and the best solution you can think of is to warn people about McDonald’s?
There’s nothing left to discuss. According to you, nobody did anything wrong (except the victim who should have put up more of a fight) and nothing can be done about it.
What does the word faggot mean here?
It doesn’t matter. As long as it’s not directed at anyone, hate speech is free speech, in my book.
I meant that a grown man is seen as weak if he cries. Media, culture, popularity, ethics, education, almost everybody agrees with this.
I don’t know how you guys have become so deluded into believing that a man, crying like a woman, is acceptable in today’s society?
Talk about emasculation. Real men are not “allowed” to show weakness by their peers, including women. Women lose respect for men who cry in public. Save it for when nobody’s looking, at least.
It’s definately not seen as something a man should do in most circumstances.
But what if a soldier cries for a fallen comrade or civilian?
What if a Man cries over the death of his Wife or Children?
Are they “weak” because they show human emotion.
Stoicly, people should not be too emotional. But a Stoic isn’t going too call someone a “faggot” if they Cry.
Besides I could care less what the “popular” outlook to things are, unless there is reason behind it.
I cried at my sisters wedding, I didn’t want too but the emotion got too me, think I care if someone thinks less of me for it?
There are degrees of course. But the more respected the man is, and the position of higher social value he is, within a community, the least he can show tears in public. The higher one goes up in terms of reputation, publicly, a man has to become depended on not to cry or become emotional. Rather his mentality becomes like a resolute weapon, and his emotions are repressed, and reasserted in more effective ways. For example, in a crisis, men are depended upon to remain calm, lead people, and direct action. That is a trait subconsciously directed toward men, and we expect of men. To have a nation of men who “feel comfortable” crying in public, and in a national emergency, are breaking down in tears on the street, is not good.
I realize that many men do and will cry. And some women are more Resolute than these men, and therefore, are more Masculine than them in a way.
However, it is still expected that, at the top of social hierarchies, it is more socially acceptable that a woman can cry, and the man cannot.
I don’t know why this concept is so foreign to people on this forum. I learned this lesson in grade school, when I was 7 years old. I don’t know where you all really came from, but we must have grown up in quite different settings. By teaching young males that it is “okay” and “acceptable” to cry in public, others, around the world, and in other societies, probably will see our men as weaklings. That is, if this thing is common throughout the world? I’ve never heard of cultures where it’s acceptable for men to cry like this, in a position of power that implies responsibility.
What does it signify when a man cries, except that he’s emotional???
I mean, this is a philosophy forum. So what do philosophers usually say when it comes to Reason versus Emotion? Reason is the difference. Men ought to repress our emotions, so that we don’t show weakness to others. Our families are counting on us to be men, and to be strong, in a very difficult world. Well that’s debatable that the world is ‘difficult’ anymore, but you should know what I mean. Life is hard. And somebody has to harden the shit up, suck it up, and grab your sack. You know what I mean? “Man up.” Life doesn’t get easier, for those with increasing responsibilities.
No, I don’t think people should repress there emotions. They should try and control them through reason.
The differance being that repression is being emotional and hiding it while control is understanding the situation better in order to control your “displays” of emotion.