now back to men and women getting together as partners…if i were fighting a war i would prefer a male-female team rather than a male-male team…guys just tend to get carried away with frontal assaults…that is a big problem to me…
I think what turtle is suggesting is that women could bring their passive-aggressiveness into the war zone. Interesting. What sorts of strategic advantages does female passive-aggression give in a war situation?
But then, you are far from being a strategist.
Or do you think that you are an educated strategist?
flannel you bring some clarification…i think not as many men would be lost by being sneaky…women tend to go around the ends…
they arent as locked in to beating the crap out of another guy…
Interesting turtle. So women should certainly be involved in directing military action, as they are sneaky creatures. What about on the front lines? Do women have a role to play there? Are will their breasts only serve as a distraction for the men on their team?
i dont know about that…what experience do they have in other countries like israel…
The survival of humans did not rely on Patriarchy. To say such a thing would give us pause to consider what it would have been like to have matriarchy or societies that were not dependant on either system. You might as well point to anything and suggest that was the reason for human survival such as warfare. Now consider what it might have been like if humans had resisted warfare?
So basically you have no good reason to make that connection, without some sort of particular reason. What is is exactly that is wrong with a woman leader?
I think it highly likely that were humans to have been matriarchal or gender equal we might well have done far better.
FJ, I’m not offended. Men can point out physical differences as long as they don’t attach any suggestion of one against another that leads to inequality between the sexes. For example, the male of most species is generally larger than the female–although not always true. What does size have to do with equality? Men are stronger than women. What advantage does that give a male over a female in life? Women can’t do maths and science as well as men. What a bunch of BS!
I’m saying that most gender differences, as experienced, are cultural. There’s no more feminization of men than there is masculization of women. We both have x chromosomes. (Women have 2 x’s and men have an x and a y.) X chromosomes come from our mothers, which means, generally speaking, men have what’s popularly called a ‘feminine side.’ This is nature, not bigger, stronger, smarter. 
Physical strength gives a lot of advantages. I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
One must burn more calories if one is stronger or bigger.
the thread has to do with getting along and why that might be important for survival…
Why is it important for our survival that men and women get along??? Um… babies, perhaps?
Survival has not always required men and women getting along. Survival makes it without the niceties.
But doesn’t survival of a species require, among many other things, rapport within the species? And doesn’t rapport imply a certain amount of understanding, acceptance, leading to open, honest, communication between the genders that make up the species? Just asking… 
No, survival of a species doesn’t depend on that. There’s this species of scorpion in which the males and females don’t come into contact with each other for years, because the population is so sparse, and when they do the male just rapes the female and runs away.
So, the short, blunt, and accurate answer is ‘No, it doesn’t require that.’
At least not for that species of scorpion.
But what would you say is the most fruitful approach: for men and women to get along and have babies together in a loving cooperative relationship, or for men to go around raping women and leaving them to fend for their offspring on their own?
I can say what is preferable.
But I don’t think the vast majority of the animal kingdom is bothered with the niceties, and they have survived for billions of years.
What do you mean “bothered”? And what is a nicety to you?
Let’s also keep this in perspective. What typically happens in the animal kingdom is not necessarily what’s good for humans.
Perspective: Humans are not distinct from the animal kingdom.
What are the niceties: Your Phrase;“Why is it important for our survival that men and women get along??? Um… babies, perhaps?”
Fact is that for most of the human past, speaking as an archaeologist and ancient historian, such niceties have not always been observed. This has not impeded the progress and survival of human evolution. So whilst it might be desirable, it is not as important as you think, nor is it necessary as such.
But looking ahead - it will not be long before artificial insemination is more common. Today a woman can get impregnated from a sperm bank, without having to “get on” with any man.
Looking back - it is the common habit of many hunter/gatherer tribes to gain wives through purchase and/or through raiding neighbouring tribes. You might say that this is not the nicest way of making a family, but as a strategy it is excellent in selective terms. First only the strongest men are able to get wives this way, either due to riches or brute strength, and the children are more likely to be healthier genetically due to widening of the gene pool due to exogamy - very important in small scale societies where tribes tend to have a limited range of genetic diversity.
As hunting and gathering represent 99% of human history I think it not far off the mark to suggest that “Getting along”, is probably very modern-centric, and based on a Judeo-Christian ideology of monogamy. Quite a limitation in the long duree of human history.
Polygamy is still widely practiced throughout the world, and buying brides is also very common. Getting wives through raids is less so common but I understand that the progeny from rape are still likely to be healthy and thrive.
Don’t get upset. I’m not recommending rape; buying wives; raids; or even artificial insemination. It’s just a fact that humans have evolved without the need to “get on” with each other. Sadly this can explain why it can be so difficult.