Whenever you make a choice in life, remember the reasons that made you choose the way you did, so looking back afterwards, regardless of the outcome, you wont have to regret it and punish yourself.
Making a bad choice on a bad premise is normal. Punishing your present self for something your past self didnt know, isnt.
It’s sounds like your suggesting that it is not a good thing and not the right thing to do to punish your ‘present self’ for something your ‘past self’ didn’t know. Is this what you are saying or suggesting?
Yes. Apparently it was not clear?
Are you suggesting that because making bad choices on bad premises is a good thing or the right thing to do?
If ‘No’, then why do you saying doing that is ‘normal’?
Depending on one’s own personal past experiences punishing “one’s” ‘present self’ for something “their” ‘past self’ didn’t know could be ‘more normal’, to them, than making a bad choice on a bad premise is.
What is ‘normal’ is relative to ‘the person’, "themself’. So, what is ‘normal’, to ‘you’, is not necessarily to ‘another’.
Saying, “Making a bad choice on a bad premise is normal”, could be interpreted as ‘you’ saying or suggesting that doing this something ‘we’ should be doing or ‘we’ will just keep on doing anyway.
I suggest if any one is making bad choices on bad premises, then they just stop using bad premises altogether.
To me, it is certainly ‘not normal’ to keep making bad choices on bad premises at all.
Cause what i wrote seemed obvious to me.
Apparently it isnt so its formulated as a question in order for you to confirm whether or not it was obvious. Maybe even explain why not.
You answered your own question just by the way you phrased it.
Because a bad premise results in a choice which has unintended (bad) consequences.
You seem to be trying to attach a moral quality to my words. I never said that making bad choices is “good or right”, i presented an observation, that its normal for a bad premise to result in a bad outcome. My statement was completely devoid of moral quality.
You seem to have a very hard time contending with the fact that you are not omniscient.
This is the same problem as in the other thread with the three truths.
Supposedly to you only the truth exists.
Well… sucks to be you cause you are most certainly not omniscient so you have no idea about the truth. You, just like everyone else, are working with what you think is the truth. And that will often result in mistakes, misconceptions and unintended consequences.
Which is human. Which is normal.
Some parts were enjoyable being surrounded by lush green forests everywhere in the middle of nowhere. There was a winding river by the cabin I was living in where I would fish out of it often.
Having to drive a hundred miles to the nearest town was a pain in the ass though. Every week I would drive in town to do laundry or go to work. I still remember the beaten up Range Rover I had driving everywhere on the highways.
Then of course no in door plumbing and you have to spend seven months every year chopping up firewood for winters full of snow blizzards with temperatures averaging negative thirty degrees.
I did enjoy the silence and all the time I had to read various books I could get my hands on.
I don’t see why not. As men I think we should be able to lend a helping hand and voice to each other in time of need. Young and old alike.
Very few people in the world at a young age know where they’re going throughout their entire lives in terms of a clear cut path to follow. For most of us we’re thrown into a pool of water forced to swim to the nearest island sand dune hoping it is secure enough where we won’t be forced to swim back in the water aimlessly again.
It is this constant struggle, conflict, and perseverance of life thrusted upon us that comes to define us in terms of identity as being individual men.
You’re young enough where you still have time to rectify past life mistakes, errors, or misdeeds. Do not take that abundance of time for granted because it passes very quick like sand passing through your fingers in your hand as you clutch to it. When you’re an older man it becomes harder to rectify mistakes since time is an ever constant thing bearing down on all of us. Recognize the mistakes, errors, and misdeeds you have had in your past and going forth in the future know how to avoid them without repeating them again.
Become a better version of yourself in all things you do in life.
If you have family spend as much time with them as possible as strong family bonds are a good thing to have in life.
I myself grew up largely abandoned by my family in comparison spending much of my childhood as an orphan. Count yourself fortunate if you have strong family bonds and support.
Is there even such a person who knew from the start of their life what they wanted to be?
I understand that a lot can hinge on what is being encouraged by the parent. When the kids feel encouraged in a field they develop interest and when properly validated that interest can grow into a self-perpetuating talent and prospect.
But… disregarding nurture. Does this exist by nature? By default?
Cause i keep on wondering this from time to time. How it’d even be possible for a child to know what it wants to be 20 years from when its learning nonsense in the school for a purpose it cant even grasp.
It seemed to me at least, that you are left to your own devices in regards of giving a meaning to your own existence.
You are free to choose. Literally. You can be anything. The question is what do you WANT to be. And thats where the picture starts to fall apart. Given no incentive or motivation, the question itself loses meaning
From my experiences the alternatives are you have those born from extreme forms of wealth where their lives are pretty much decided for them at birth, although sometimes even with that individuals will rebel against that conditioning which can alter their lives in several different ways.
You also have those rare child savants that are so very intelligent where they make all of life look effortless.
Of course in both instances this is an extreme minority of the population and not of the general rule concerning the majority of people.
Well yes. The first instance is where a route is forced on you. Its not based on encouragement and exploration. Its forced so the response is a rainbow’s worth of dissonance, misguidance, rejection and more.
The second… well the second is not really related to the question. A child can be talented in one field, but that does not necessarily overlap with what they want to be.
I.e. personally i had a talent for learning languages, my entire english knowledge is auto didacta, i dont know a single damn grammar rule or law from english, i just learned it by listening and reading it.
Yet it didnt and still wouldnt cross my mind to work with this, i.e. become a translator. Its… not an attractive prospect.
So i wonder that…
I guess after the fact with your childhood goan.
How do you… how do you give birth to that spark.
That spark where you want to do something because it both interests you and makes you feel successful. You know, that perfect circular reasoning where you do something cause its fun and its fun cause you are doing it.
I know the ingredients but… i think im stuck with the idea that it requires external encouragement.
Incentives if you will.
Something needs to start the process. There need be a spark before there can be a fire.
Well, obviously you missed that it does not logically follow to put a question mark at the end of a claim or statement.
Apparently it is not obvious to you that formulating sentences in that is not logically correct. Now, if you want me to confirm one thing or another, then just present what you want confirmed in the so most succinct, precise and clearest, way possible.
All, I did was just ask you an open question, for clarification. you clarified, and then I proceeded in from there.
I want to first check that you were saying one is so-called ‘normal’ and another thing was ‘not normal’ and why you proposed those things in that way. Once you did, then I could respond more fully informed, which is what I did.
Well, i put you on ignore for a few weeks to see if your attitude changes anew, but apparently there is no way around your perpetual need to invent random bullshit inside a topic, push it all down into sophistry, demagoguery and gaslighting, and then proceed to use it all to fatten your own ego with it.
Sorry. This time you are going on ignore permanently. Tried it, but there is no way for us to interact in any constructive manner. Wish you only the best, and good luck.
Compound interest is real. Save using it as soon as possible
I never said that. So I never answered the question I asked you. Which, by the way, you still have not answered.
Please do not assume what any of my questions are asking. Please just answer in relation to the actual words I use alone.
Are you aware that you only had to clarify here? So, if your statement was completely devoid of moral quality, then okay. you did not have to express what ‘seemed’ to you, which I may well have not being doing at all.
Also, to me you did not present an observation that it is ‘normal’ for a bad premise to result in a bad outcome.
What you actually presented was your observation that “Making a bad choice on a bad premise is normal”.
Why can you not recognise and see the difference.
Again, you have introduced another ‘red herring’ and/or ‘strawman’ to try to deflect.
Look, you alone here want to make ‘the claim’ that when you keep making bad choices on bad premises that this is “normal”.
But please keep doing this and keep believing this.
I just think you won’t find many who will agree with “your truth” here.
Great.
After all the Truth is elders can learn far more about life, and living Correctly, from the youngest, than they ever could have from the oldest.
Just find/uncover the Real Self, which is done by ‘letting go’ of the fake and small self, and just become the Real One, as this One can never be, nor go, Wrong